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This comment is loaded with some pretty unrealistic conclusions. Firstly, Vulkan support is becoming extremely common even on Windows-exclusive titles. > Apple

This comment is loaded with some pretty unrealistic conclusions. Firstly, Vulkan support is becoming extremely common even on Windows-exclusive titles. > Apple has their own Metal, so Vulkan is dead in the water there anyway. How is Apple at all relevant in a thread about games? Apple has proactively shut out gaming in the past few years. Metal is almost exclusively used to draw fancy GUIs. Furthermore, DXVK is an open source (strictly) project. Who honestly cares who came up with the API? People even run DXVK on Windows because it often offers superior performance. There are some very big studios getting behind Vulkan: Embark, id. As to the root comment: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experim...

account42 5y ago
What defnition of "extremely common" are we working with here? PCGW lists 151 games [0] with Vulkan support of any kind (not neccessarily on Windows). Meanwhile there are 188 with DirectX 12 support [1] and 2723 with DirectX 11 support [2]. Don't get me wrong, I too would like for the open cross-platform API to win, but so far support is far from extemely common. [0] https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_Vulkan_games https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_Vulkan_games [1] https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DirectX_12_games https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DirectX_12_games [2] https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DirectX_11_games https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DirectX_11_games > As to the root comment: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experim https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experim... Could you expand on what you are trying to argue? It seems to me that Proton is the immediate reward while waiting for the platform to grow to get native ports would be the delayed reward. Yet "In follow-up studies, the researchers found that children who were able to wait longer for the preferred rewards tended to have better life outcomes" would support the caution against Proton if you were to generalize from children to platform strategies (not saying that you should).

account42 5y ago

What defnition of "extremely common" are we working with here? PCGW lists 151 games [0] with Vulkan support of any kind (not neccessarily on Windows). Meanwhile there are 188 with DirectX 12 support [1] and 2723 with DirectX 11 support [2]. Don't get me wrong, I too would like for the open cross-platform API to win, but so far support is far from extemely common. [0] https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_Vulkan_games https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_Vulkan_games [1] https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DirectX_12_games https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DirectX_12_games [2] https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DirectX_11_games https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DirectX_11_games > As to the root comment: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experim https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experim... Could you expand on what you are trying to argue? It seems to me that Proton is the immediate reward while waiting for the platform to grow to get native ports would be the delayed reward. Yet "In follow-up studies, the researchers found that children who were able to wait longer for the preferred rewards tended to have better life outcomes" would support the caution against Proton if you were to generalize from children to platform strategies (not saying that you should).