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Really surprised to see such a low quality editorial from such a weak newspaper as the Toronto Sun on HN. Here's some actual expert content on this issue: htt

Really surprised to see such a low quality editorial from such a weak newspaper as the Toronto Sun on HN. Here's some actual expert content on this issue: https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/02/not-ready-for-prime-time/ https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/02/not-ready-for-prime-time...

fartcannon 5y ago
Agreed, but the two sources are in agreement. It often feels like Canada is run by two groups: the energy companies on the centre-right, and the oligarchy of media giants on centre-left. Here we see the media companies pushing Trudeau. We could regain our voting power with something better than FPTP.
- mig39 5y ago
  Trudeau famously promised to abolish FPTP. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-vows-to-end-1st-past-the-post-voting-in-platform-speech-1.3114902 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-vows-to-end-...
  - nameisname 5y ago
    He wouldn't have won the last election if he did.
- multiplegeorges 5y ago
  They do agree, but if you only read the editorial you wouldn't be anymore informed than you were before. Except now you may think "Trudeau bad" with little to back up that opinion. At least Geist goes into the substance of the legislation and the very real risks it poses. You forgot the third leg on the Canadian oligarchy stool: banks. FPTP can't die soon enough.
ipaddr 5y ago
The article was informative and inline with other media news sources posted on hn. I've never heard a newspaper described as weak before, what strength should they possess that they lack.
- wk_end 5y ago
  I'd say a strong news source probably doesn't need to lean on a "Sunshine Girl" [0] to sell papers. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Girl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Girl
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    Don't they have a sunshine boy as well? Seems fair and well within my liberal worldview (a nude body isn't a sin). It is probably time we accepted a more mature view of the human body. It always wondered why killing someone is acceptable at 8 or 9 but nudity is forbidden in primetime.
    - wk_end 5y ago
      No, they don’t. And while I’m not against nudity (though there’s no nudity in the Toronto Sun), sticking some T&A in your tabloid to boost your appeal to the horny demographic is the opposite of a “mature view of the human body”.
- rbobby 5y ago
  As a Torontonian... the Sun isn't much of a paper. Good for sports and fish wrap. Breathless crime reporting too. City politics. That's about it.
AlexandrB 5y ago
> Really surprised to see such a low quality editorial from such a weak newspaper as the Toronto Sun on HN. Indeed. I wonder if the print version ran this next to the "Sunshine Girl".
clove 5y ago
Wait, why are you surprised to see "low quality" from a "weak newspaper?" Shouldn't that have been expected? Did you misspeak or am I missing something?
- hiyer 5y ago
  They were surprised to see it "on HN". OTOH despite the poor quality, the article seems to have spawned a healthy discussion, so maybe it belongs here after all :-).

fartcannon 5y ago

Agreed, but the two sources are in agreement. It often feels like Canada is run by two groups: the energy companies on the centre-right, and the oligarchy of media giants on centre-left. Here we see the media companies pushing Trudeau. We could regain our voting power with something better than FPTP.

mig39 5y ago
Trudeau famously promised to abolish FPTP. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-vows-to-end-1st-past-the-post-voting-in-platform-speech-1.3114902 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-vows-to-end-...
- nameisname 5y ago
  He wouldn't have won the last election if he did.
multiplegeorges 5y ago
They do agree, but if you only read the editorial you wouldn't be anymore informed than you were before. Except now you may think "Trudeau bad" with little to back up that opinion. At least Geist goes into the substance of the legislation and the very real risks it poses. You forgot the third leg on the Canadian oligarchy stool: banks. FPTP can't die soon enough.

ipaddr 5y ago

The article was informative and inline with other media news sources posted on hn. I've never heard a newspaper described as weak before, what strength should they possess that they lack.

wk_end 5y ago
I'd say a strong news source probably doesn't need to lean on a "Sunshine Girl" [0] to sell papers. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Girl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Girl
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Don't they have a sunshine boy as well? Seems fair and well within my liberal worldview (a nude body isn't a sin). It is probably time we accepted a more mature view of the human body. It always wondered why killing someone is acceptable at 8 or 9 but nudity is forbidden in primetime.
  - wk_end 5y ago
    No, they don’t. And while I’m not against nudity (though there’s no nudity in the Toronto Sun), sticking some T&A in your tabloid to boost your appeal to the horny demographic is the opposite of a “mature view of the human body”.
rbobby 5y ago
As a Torontonian... the Sun isn't much of a paper. Good for sports and fish wrap. Breathless crime reporting too. City politics. That's about it.

AlexandrB 5y ago

> Really surprised to see such a low quality editorial from such a weak newspaper as the Toronto Sun on HN. Indeed. I wonder if the print version ran this next to the "Sunshine Girl".

clove 5y ago

Wait, why are you surprised to see "low quality" from a "weak newspaper?" Shouldn't that have been expected? Did you misspeak or am I missing something?

hiyer 5y ago
They were surprised to see it "on HN". OTOH despite the poor quality, the article seems to have spawned a healthy discussion, so maybe it belongs here after all :-).