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> Removing damn near all city parking spaces. Regulating away even more. There is still some parking in garages and private lots but it is $$$$. The key thing

> Removing damn near all city parking spaces. Regulating away even more. There is still some parking in garages and private lots but it is $$$$. The key thing to understand here is that the parking wasn't cheap before and it didn't get expensive suddenly when it was subject to market conditions. It was always expensive, but government was subsidizing your car-centric lifestyle. Now it's not and the true price of that lifestyle has been revealed to you.

jabl 5y ago
I live in a city. I own a car. I pay 25 EUR/month for a personal parking space reserved just for me, just outside my home. If the value of real estate in the area would be included in the price for parking, the price would be somewhere around 250 EUR/month, 10 times more. Though the comparison isn't entirely fair, if parking would pay for it's usage of land, I'd guess we would have no on-street parking, narrower streets and instead parking would be in multi-story parking garages. So although I'm one of those who benefit from the cheap parking, I do think it's stupid, and in the end it just causes sprawl making us all worse off.
tasha0663 5y ago
> government was subsidizing your car-centric lifestyle Huh. In my closest city, the parking is expensive and the local government taxes the shit out of it.
- stefs 5y ago
  on the other hand, road maintenance is also quite expensive, which wouldn't be an issue if there were no - or at least far fewer - cars. parking spots are lost to all usage except for parking; it costs me 100€ per year. on the other hand i pay taxes for road maintenance, which is partially financed by taxes on fuel. people often mention that bicycle paths need maintenance too, which leads to the fourth power rule: "What these researchers found is that damage to the roadbed is proportional to the 4th power of the axle load of the vehicle, and they called this “the Generalized Fourth Power Law.” This means that if you double the weight on an axle, your vehicle does sixteen times the damage to the road. ... You saw that, right? A tractor trailer causes roughly 6500 times more road damage than a Prius. ... We see the Prius does 38,000 times more road damage than a bicycle." see https://camdencyclists.org.uk/2020/06/the-fourth-power-rule-cyclelicious/ https://camdencyclists.org.uk/2020/06/the-fourth-power-rule-...

jabl 5y ago

I live in a city. I own a car. I pay 25 EUR/month for a personal parking space reserved just for me, just outside my home. If the value of real estate in the area would be included in the price for parking, the price would be somewhere around 250 EUR/month, 10 times more. Though the comparison isn't entirely fair, if parking would pay for it's usage of land, I'd guess we would have no on-street parking, narrower streets and instead parking would be in multi-story parking garages. So although I'm one of those who benefit from the cheap parking, I do think it's stupid, and in the end it just causes sprawl making us all worse off.

tasha0663 5y ago

> government was subsidizing your car-centric lifestyle Huh. In my closest city, the parking is expensive and the local government taxes the shit out of it.

stefs 5y ago
on the other hand, road maintenance is also quite expensive, which wouldn't be an issue if there were no - or at least far fewer - cars. parking spots are lost to all usage except for parking; it costs me 100€ per year. on the other hand i pay taxes for road maintenance, which is partially financed by taxes on fuel. people often mention that bicycle paths need maintenance too, which leads to the fourth power rule: "What these researchers found is that damage to the roadbed is proportional to the 4th power of the axle load of the vehicle, and they called this “the Generalized Fourth Power Law.” This means that if you double the weight on an axle, your vehicle does sixteen times the damage to the road. ... You saw that, right? A tractor trailer causes roughly 6500 times more road damage than a Prius. ... We see the Prius does 38,000 times more road damage than a bicycle." see https://camdencyclists.org.uk/2020/06/the-fourth-power-rule-cyclelicious/ https://camdencyclists.org.uk/2020/06/the-fourth-power-rule-...