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Fair point, but even in an abusive relationship the solution is to take on responsibility and get out of the relationship, not whine until somebody frees you fr

Fair point, but even in an abusive relationship the solution is to take on responsibility and get out of the relationship, not whine until somebody frees you from it. With regard to cars, bicycles already exist. I personally have never owned a car in my life.

coldtea 5y ago
>Fair point, but even in an abusive relationship the solution is to take on responsibility and get out of the relationship, not whine until somebody frees you from it. Well, in that sense, aren't leftists also "taking on responsibility and getting out of the relationship", by e.g. organizing, protesting, throwing down governments, and establishing global socialism? :) >With regard to cars, bicycles already exist. I personally have never owned a car in my life. Yes, but what's missing is that a city structured for cars is already a different beast than a city structured for pedestrians (and/or bikers). You can always personally use or not use a car in city X. But if X is built for car use, it wont be a good city to walk or bike in. So, if enough people want to reshape it, they should be able to have a go. Like the car people had their go in the prior, car-focused re-shaping of the city (there was one, since cities that existed pre-car were initially built more walking friendly), but them with the trillion dollar car industry and lots of private interest to assist them.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  "Well, in that sense, aren't leftists also "taking on responsibility and getting out of the relationship", by e.g. organizing, protesting, throwing down governments, and establishing global socialism? :)" That is just crying for help, not creating what they want themselves. "Yes, but what's missing is that a city structured for cars is already a different beast than a city structured for pedestrians (and/or bikers). You can always personally use or not use a car in city X. But if X is built for car use, it wont be a good city to walk or bike in." There it is again. They should not whine about "cities being built for car use", they should build (or move to) cities build for bicycle use, if that is what they want. Cities are being built by people, not by some mysterious higher powers. "So, if enough people want to reshape it, they should be able to have a go." Exactly. They should just do it, not whine about capitalism.

coldtea 5y ago

>Fair point, but even in an abusive relationship the solution is to take on responsibility and get out of the relationship, not whine until somebody frees you from it. Well, in that sense, aren't leftists also "taking on responsibility and getting out of the relationship", by e.g. organizing, protesting, throwing down governments, and establishing global socialism? :) >With regard to cars, bicycles already exist. I personally have never owned a car in my life. Yes, but what's missing is that a city structured for cars is already a different beast than a city structured for pedestrians (and/or bikers). You can always personally use or not use a car in city X. But if X is built for car use, it wont be a good city to walk or bike in. So, if enough people want to reshape it, they should be able to have a go. Like the car people had their go in the prior, car-focused re-shaping of the city (there was one, since cities that existed pre-car were initially built more walking friendly), but them with the trillion dollar car industry and lots of private interest to assist them.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
"Well, in that sense, aren't leftists also "taking on responsibility and getting out of the relationship", by e.g. organizing, protesting, throwing down governments, and establishing global socialism? :)" That is just crying for help, not creating what they want themselves. "Yes, but what's missing is that a city structured for cars is already a different beast than a city structured for pedestrians (and/or bikers). You can always personally use or not use a car in city X. But if X is built for car use, it wont be a good city to walk or bike in." There it is again. They should not whine about "cities being built for car use", they should build (or move to) cities build for bicycle use, if that is what they want. Cities are being built by people, not by some mysterious higher powers. "So, if enough people want to reshape it, they should be able to have a go." Exactly. They should just do it, not whine about capitalism.