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While I’m generally cautious that “Years of Experience” isn’t a great reason to downlevel, I also wouldn’t expect someone to be a “Senior” after graduating (eve

While I’m generally cautious that “Years of Experience” isn’t a great reason to downlevel, I also wouldn’t expect someone to be a “Senior” after graduating (even with a PhD, and even if it were in Computer Science or a closely related field) in ~2 years either. https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshcsimmons https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshcsimmons doesn’t mention graduation year and seems to try to pass off the UC Irvine time as professional experience rather than academic, but other social profiles like Quora say “Graduated 2019” after doing a PhD in Music Composition & Music Technology. I’m sorry to hear Shopify wasn’t the experience you wanted.

ozim 5y ago
Yeah looking at OP linkedin it seems that he might be more of "regular dev" or "midlevel dev" than a senior. Bad part was they interviewed and hired him as a senior and then downgraded.
- nixgeek 5y ago
  I read this as the posting was for Senior and the offer extended was at a lower level, that’s not uncommon — Amazon particularly is somewhat famous for down-levels happening in interview debriefs. I don’t think Josh started as a Senior and then got demoted, the post explicitly says the $ was less than desired (due to the offer being made at the lower level).
snotrockets 5y ago
PhD really depends on the lab/advisor. Some would let you have experience that directly translates, some won't
mrtranscendence 5y ago
> I also wouldn’t expect someone to be a “Senior” after graduating (even with a PhD, and even if it were in Computer Science or a closely related field) in ~2 years either. I suppose it depends on your org. Where I work "senior" is the second level up, where the first level is given to new hires fresh out of college (mostly master's, some bachelor's). If someone comes in with a PhD in a related field -- though perhaps not a completely unrelated one like music composition -- I'd be surprised for them not be a senior or even a lead (the third level up). The researcher positions that require a PhD tend to be advertised as leads in my experience. I was originally hired as a senior data scientist although I had minimal relevant work experience, but I had worked in an arguably related field (mostly ETL) for 5 years after bailing out of a PhD program (all but dissertation in economics).
aiisjustanif 5y ago
> UC Irvine time as professional experience rather than academic If I’m an employee of the school while also getting my degree, that is professional experience. I’ve done the same working for a HPC IT department for a university that supported university departments and 3rd parties customers. Dismissing working for a university IT department, if that is the case, isn’t fair.

ozim 5y ago

Yeah looking at OP linkedin it seems that he might be more of "regular dev" or "midlevel dev" than a senior. Bad part was they interviewed and hired him as a senior and then downgraded.

nixgeek 5y ago
I read this as the posting was for Senior and the offer extended was at a lower level, that’s not uncommon — Amazon particularly is somewhat famous for down-levels happening in interview debriefs. I don’t think Josh started as a Senior and then got demoted, the post explicitly says the $ was less than desired (due to the offer being made at the lower level).

snotrockets 5y ago

PhD really depends on the lab/advisor. Some would let you have experience that directly translates, some won't

mrtranscendence 5y ago

> I also wouldn’t expect someone to be a “Senior” after graduating (even with a PhD, and even if it were in Computer Science or a closely related field) in ~2 years either. I suppose it depends on your org. Where I work "senior" is the second level up, where the first level is given to new hires fresh out of college (mostly master's, some bachelor's). If someone comes in with a PhD in a related field -- though perhaps not a completely unrelated one like music composition -- I'd be surprised for them not be a senior or even a lead (the third level up). The researcher positions that require a PhD tend to be advertised as leads in my experience. I was originally hired as a senior data scientist although I had minimal relevant work experience, but I had worked in an arguably related field (mostly ETL) for 5 years after bailing out of a PhD program (all but dissertation in economics).

aiisjustanif 5y ago

> UC Irvine time as professional experience rather than academic If I’m an employee of the school while also getting my degree, that is professional experience. I’ve done the same working for a HPC IT department for a university that supported university departments and 3rd parties customers. Dismissing working for a university IT department, if that is the case, isn’t fair.