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> That's the very force of the reddit hivemind. I have no interest in /r/antiwork nor their ideologies, but they kept popping up on /r/all, so they get a consta

by kvuj 5y ago

> That's the very force of the reddit hivemind. I have no interest in /r/antiwork nor their ideologies, but they kept popping up on /r/all, so they get a constant influx of people aligned with the reddit mean opinion, which in turn changes the original community. That's what I like about 4chan. In a sea of ungodly acidic garbage lies a golden heart of contrarianism. The posters will argue for a side one day, and 2 hours later will vehemently adopt opposite arguments. Some of the best leftist arguments I have ever read came from /pol/. 4chan argues for the sake of arguing, and I think that is absolutely beautiful in today's environment of everyone taking everything so seriously.

helloooooooo 5y ago
It probably has to do with the post incentives. On Reddit, if you get downvoted into oblivion, your post disappears even if you get thousands of comments. On 4Chan, the more active the post, the more it gets bumped to the top. So being inflammatory on one makes your post disappear, and on the other it sends it to the top of the feed.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  This explains Twitter too. Even before the infamous trend-boosting algorithms get involved, being more controversial gets you more retweets and more chances to be seen. Tumblr used to be the same way and its users had similarly controversial/aggressive politics.
- Levitz 5y ago
  Reddit is grossly overmoderated. You have a vote system that enforces a hivemind by itself, on top of a normal moderation system that deletes an enormous amount of content, on top of automated moderation banning posts if you use this or that word, on top of a shadowban system on top of a global content policy system. The result is that only stuff that the majority of users allow will get displayed.
  - OmegaPG 5y ago
    > Reddit is grossly overmoderated I think bigger problem is poor moderation. Most of the mods are driven by some agenda and even propaganda. Instead of focusing on quality, they focus on how their subreddit content can be aligned to their agenda. Any user who doesn't comply, gets banned. Since roughly only 1% user actively engage in a subreddit, update macha end with Eco chamber.
- BeFlatXIII 5y ago
  That's why controversial and new are the only worthwhile comment sortings on Reddit.
zqfm 5y ago
I used to love the 4chan-style contrarian attitude until, in high school people I knew were killed in Iraq. Then I started to realize that those kinds of nihilist attitudes have real-world consequences. Since then, that attitude has become mainstream (or perhaps just my awareness of it) and following has been a constant trail of death and misery. I can't not take it seriously anymore when my friends and loved ones are dying and turning on each other.
- jdkjs 5y ago
  As far as I can tell, 4chan is vehemently against the current neoliberal wars. They laughed their asses off at the US abandoning Afghanistan and are questioning why the NATO has to be in Ukraine at all. Perhaps I misunderstood your tone.
  - zqfm 5y ago
    That definitely wasn't the impression I got back when I frequented it but I'm glad if they're more antiwar now.
    - codechad 5y ago
  - xtracto 5y ago
    I am not familiar at all with 4chan and its functioning, but if I remember correctly there is no "they" in 4chan, similar to the "Anonymous" group... everyone can go into 4chan, sometimes a radical leftist will go there, next day a radical rightist will post. Is there actually a "cultural leaning" in that site?
    - anon_d 5y ago
      Of course there are a cultural leanings at every "place". What kind of people frequent that place? HN is no different. Anyone can come here and make any argument.
  - 5y ago

by kvuj 5y ago

helloooooooo 5y ago

It probably has to do with the post incentives. On Reddit, if you get downvoted into oblivion, your post disappears even if you get thousands of comments. On 4Chan, the more active the post, the more it gets bumped to the top. So being inflammatory on one makes your post disappear, and on the other it sends it to the top of the feed.

zozbot234 5y ago
This explains Twitter too. Even before the infamous trend-boosting algorithms get involved, being more controversial gets you more retweets and more chances to be seen. Tumblr used to be the same way and its users had similarly controversial/aggressive politics.
Levitz 5y ago
Reddit is grossly overmoderated. You have a vote system that enforces a hivemind by itself, on top of a normal moderation system that deletes an enormous amount of content, on top of automated moderation banning posts if you use this or that word, on top of a shadowban system on top of a global content policy system. The result is that only stuff that the majority of users allow will get displayed.
- OmegaPG 5y ago
  > Reddit is grossly overmoderated I think bigger problem is poor moderation. Most of the mods are driven by some agenda and even propaganda. Instead of focusing on quality, they focus on how their subreddit content can be aligned to their agenda. Any user who doesn't comply, gets banned. Since roughly only 1% user actively engage in a subreddit, update macha end with Eco chamber.
BeFlatXIII 5y ago
That's why controversial and new are the only worthwhile comment sortings on Reddit.

zqfm 5y ago

I used to love the 4chan-style contrarian attitude until, in high school people I knew were killed in Iraq. Then I started to realize that those kinds of nihilist attitudes have real-world consequences. Since then, that attitude has become mainstream (or perhaps just my awareness of it) and following has been a constant trail of death and misery. I can't not take it seriously anymore when my friends and loved ones are dying and turning on each other.

jdkjs 5y ago
As far as I can tell, 4chan is vehemently against the current neoliberal wars. They laughed their asses off at the US abandoning Afghanistan and are questioning why the NATO has to be in Ukraine at all. Perhaps I misunderstood your tone.
- zqfm 5y ago
  That definitely wasn't the impression I got back when I frequented it but I'm glad if they're more antiwar now.
  - codechad 5y ago
- xtracto 5y ago
  I am not familiar at all with 4chan and its functioning, but if I remember correctly there is no "they" in 4chan, similar to the "Anonymous" group... everyone can go into 4chan, sometimes a radical leftist will go there, next day a radical rightist will post. Is there actually a "cultural leaning" in that site?
  - anon_d 5y ago
    Of course there are a cultural leanings at every "place". What kind of people frequent that place? HN is no different. Anyone can come here and make any argument.
- 5y ago