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It's a decent website - a useful collection of information and links to additional information, that can serve as a starting point to learn more. For those who

by hooby 5y ago

It's a decent website - a useful collection of information and links to additional information, that can serve as a starting point to learn more. For those who use PHP, or for those who'd like to learn to use it, this might be useful resource. The same thing can't really be said of the comments in here though. I don't see how emotionally charged debates over what is the "best" or "worst" language, help anyone. It's almost as if some people can truly have their ego shattered, by someone on the internet liking another language than they do... Couldn't we just agree that there is no "best" language for every possible use case, and that everyone is allowed to like whatever language they want to like? It's not like the whole bickering is going to change anyone's opinion.

pak9rabid 5y ago
In its early days (version 4 and below) PHP was a bit of a mess. However it got its act together with version 5, as it implemented an object model almost on par with Java's, which I thought kind of set the standard for how OOP should be done. It's just unfortunate that much of the mistakes with version 4 and below had to be kept in order to preserve backwards compatibility.
- lotyrin 5y ago
  More than the design of the language itself, the culture suffered (and still suffers to a lesser degree) from the legacy of those bad designs, such that if you wanted to avoid a whole ton of awful codebases, poor practices and mediocre developers you could have easily done so by putting a language barrier between you and them and "graduating" to some other language. Many teams and codebases these days have moved onwards and upwards toward a world where sensible design exists.
dec0dedab0de 5y ago
You're right, but you're missing the emotional damage many hackers of a certain age feel when they remember troubleshooting PHP problems, or constantly having to look things up, before they left for whatever their language of choice is now. People complaining about PHP are mostly just venting frustrations from 15 years ago.
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  I tend to stay out of these discussions, precisely because I have such negative associations from PHP 3-5, but I don’t want to shit on anyone (or make anyone feel shit upon) who uses PHP today. The language and ecosystem has clearly improved and matured a lot, and while I don’t have any interest in revisiting it, I respect that.
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by hooby 5y ago

pak9rabid 5y ago

In its early days (version 4 and below) PHP was a bit of a mess. However it got its act together with version 5, as it implemented an object model almost on par with Java's, which I thought kind of set the standard for how OOP should be done. It's just unfortunate that much of the mistakes with version 4 and below had to be kept in order to preserve backwards compatibility.

lotyrin 5y ago
More than the design of the language itself, the culture suffered (and still suffers to a lesser degree) from the legacy of those bad designs, such that if you wanted to avoid a whole ton of awful codebases, poor practices and mediocre developers you could have easily done so by putting a language barrier between you and them and "graduating" to some other language. Many teams and codebases these days have moved onwards and upwards toward a world where sensible design exists.

dec0dedab0de 5y ago

You're right, but you're missing the emotional damage many hackers of a certain age feel when they remember troubleshooting PHP problems, or constantly having to look things up, before they left for whatever their language of choice is now. People complaining about PHP are mostly just venting frustrations from 15 years ago.

eyelidlessness 5y ago
I tend to stay out of these discussions, precisely because I have such negative associations from PHP 3-5, but I don’t want to shit on anyone (or make anyone feel shit upon) who uses PHP today. The language and ecosystem has clearly improved and matured a lot, and while I don’t have any interest in revisiting it, I respect that.

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