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I think this is great, too. I just wish all the folk on hackernews that want to trash what apple have built would just go buy an Android phone and leave it alon

I think this is great, too. I just wish all the folk on hackernews that want to trash what apple have built would just go buy an Android phone and leave it alone. If you don’t like the AppStore, don’t buy an iPhone.

jamil7 5y ago
> I just wish all the folk on hackernews that want to trash what apple have built It wasn't just Apple though, the value of their platforms is greatly reduced without the work of third-party developers (probably many of whom are on HN) that build software for them.
- makerofthings 5y ago
  I also have applications in the AppStore (x2). I knew what I was getting into when I built them. Apple are very clear about their pricing and value. If I had to drop either my iOS or Android apps then I would drop the Android apps in a heartbeat, supporting them is a headache.
- drcongo 5y ago
  But, if you run a fruit and veg stall on the local market, you pay the local council for the pitch. Don't like it, set up in a lay-by by the side of the motorway out of town and see how much that affects your bottom line. Developers didn't build the software for Apple, they built it to sell to consumers and Apple provides them with a pitch on the market for a fee. It's how the world works. Don't like it, go make apps for Pine Phone.
  - modo_mario 5y ago
    >you pay the local council for the pitch Unless you're a huge corporation like Apple which can sidestep a lot of it. Either way tho it seems that analogy boils down to Apple having a monopoly-like position. >for a fee A high one propped up by a lack of competition. >Don't like it, go make apps for Pine Phone. Yeah I support some more push behind projects like that. In the meantime tho I don't think me or many others are going to suddenly love anticompetitive practices.
danhab99 5y ago
This kind of thinking isn't helpful. The reason this is a massive problem for app companies is because 90% of users aren't computer litterate and don't read. They expect their devices to just work with no effort (we at hn can't relate). We should all be mad at apple because we as devs can't control the devices default settings like Apple can. And that's how their winning... They're basically pulling an Amazon basics or a Costco's Kirkland.
justapassenger 5y ago
Should people who didn’t like Microsoft forcing Internet Explorer 20 years ago, also just go and not buy Windows?
- drcongo 5y ago
  Yeah, that's what I did.
- scarface74 5y ago
  Yep. I bought a Mac…
onepointsixC 5y ago
You understand only one of two things are going to happen here: Either the Netherlands government ignores the fact that the spirit of their law was completely ignored and allows Apple to set the precedent of subverting the demands of lawmakers and regulators for Google to follow. Or the Netherlands pass a new laws in retaliation to target this. Telling users to just use phones by the other member of the mobile duolopoly doesn't address anything here. If Apple can get away with this, Google will follow.
- viktorcode 5y ago
  I envision a third option: Apple successfully appeals the regulator decision in Netherlands. It's not far fetched: Apple successfully appealed EC fine on Irish tax break (pending new appeal from the regulator), Intel successfully appealed older fine for anticompetitive behaviour. It seems to me that many laws in the EU are built on shaky legal grounds.

jamil7 5y ago

> I just wish all the folk on hackernews that want to trash what apple have built It wasn't just Apple though, the value of their platforms is greatly reduced without the work of third-party developers (probably many of whom are on HN) that build software for them.

makerofthings 5y ago
I also have applications in the AppStore (x2). I knew what I was getting into when I built them. Apple are very clear about their pricing and value. If I had to drop either my iOS or Android apps then I would drop the Android apps in a heartbeat, supporting them is a headache.
drcongo 5y ago
But, if you run a fruit and veg stall on the local market, you pay the local council for the pitch. Don't like it, set up in a lay-by by the side of the motorway out of town and see how much that affects your bottom line. Developers didn't build the software for Apple, they built it to sell to consumers and Apple provides them with a pitch on the market for a fee. It's how the world works. Don't like it, go make apps for Pine Phone.
- modo_mario 5y ago
  >you pay the local council for the pitch Unless you're a huge corporation like Apple which can sidestep a lot of it. Either way tho it seems that analogy boils down to Apple having a monopoly-like position. >for a fee A high one propped up by a lack of competition. >Don't like it, go make apps for Pine Phone. Yeah I support some more push behind projects like that. In the meantime tho I don't think me or many others are going to suddenly love anticompetitive practices.

danhab99 5y ago

This kind of thinking isn't helpful. The reason this is a massive problem for app companies is because 90% of users aren't computer litterate and don't read. They expect their devices to just work with no effort (we at hn can't relate). We should all be mad at apple because we as devs can't control the devices default settings like Apple can. And that's how their winning... They're basically pulling an Amazon basics or a Costco's Kirkland.

justapassenger 5y ago

Should people who didn’t like Microsoft forcing Internet Explorer 20 years ago, also just go and not buy Windows?

drcongo 5y ago
Yeah, that's what I did.
scarface74 5y ago
Yep. I bought a Mac…

onepointsixC 5y ago

You understand only one of two things are going to happen here: Either the Netherlands government ignores the fact that the spirit of their law was completely ignored and allows Apple to set the precedent of subverting the demands of lawmakers and regulators for Google to follow. Or the Netherlands pass a new laws in retaliation to target this. Telling users to just use phones by the other member of the mobile duolopoly doesn't address anything here. If Apple can get away with this, Google will follow.

viktorcode 5y ago
I envision a third option: Apple successfully appeals the regulator decision in Netherlands. It's not far fetched: Apple successfully appealed EC fine on Irish tax break (pending new appeal from the regulator), Intel successfully appealed older fine for anticompetitive behaviour. It seems to me that many laws in the EU are built on shaky legal grounds.