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First people complain that no one will use Linux because theirs no hardware. Then they complain they can’t use Linux because of the software support. We now hav

First people complain that no one will use Linux because theirs no hardware. Then they complain they can’t use Linux because of the software support. We now have both and now people won’t use Linux because Microsoft acquired studio’s games will only run on Windows? That moving goal post doesn’t look good for the Switch or PlayStation platforms then.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
I mean, there are a lot of reasons not to use Linux still, just because Valve solved a few of them doesn't make any of the others illegitimate. I mean, christ, the desktop user experience is still pretty goddamned terrible, and the only reason I'm personally considering switching in the near future is that Microsoft is working hard to make Windows even worse.
- R0flcopt3r 5y ago
  The desktop user experience suck on all platforms. Macos is ridden with bugs and inflexibility, Windows is just confusing to me, and Linux depends on which of the hundreds of experiences you pick. I game on Windows, work on Mac. Used fedora daily through uni and before.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    I don't disagree, especially nowadays, but for decades Windows and MacOS have had clearly superior desktop experiences. That's only changed relatively recently and it had a lot less to do with improvements on the Linux side than it did with the commercial OSs getting much worse. I use Fedora Silverblue on two laptops right now. The experience is hardly what I would call "good"[0] and yet it's still the most reasonable I've had with Linux in a long time. [0] GNOME sucks, Kinoite has a lot of issues so kinda stuck with GNOME. rpm-ostree can't handle groups and fails when given large numbers of packages to install. Restricted codecs and ffmpeg need to be installed using rpm-ostree. Stuff like that.
- yepthatsreality 5y ago
  Plasma has given me everything I could need. For 80% of people that’s going to be a web browser. Outside of that I had no problems migrating my work flows to Linux native apps. There are plenty.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    > For 80% of people that’s going to be a web browser. Why do some people think this is a point in Linux Desktop's favor? Anyone who just needs a web browser could use ChromeOS. Those of us who use a desktop for other things have legitimate criticisms and this is an unfair (and lazy) dismissal.
    - fartcannon 5y ago
      KDE has been the best desktop experience since 3.0 in 2002. There's no comparison if you value your time and mental state.
      - account42 5y ago
        > KDE has been the best desktop experience since 3.0 in 2002. Except for 4.0.
        fartcannon 5y ago
        Yeah KDE 4 is the Gnome of KDE's.
    - yepthatsreality 5y ago
      Because it’s a point for general usability arguments for the mass public. It’s a feather in the cap of ChromeOS which is a variant of Gentoo, so why can’t it be that for other Linux OSes. Linux software already provides anything outside of a browser…does that need to be touted a long side of it also?
- lordfoom 5y ago
  > I mean, christ, the desktop user experience is still pretty goddamned terrible Going to have to disagree with you there. The linux desktop experience is now superior to the windows desktop experience.
JamesMcMinn 5y ago
I've used Linux as my daily driver for near enough 20 years at this point. I'm not arguing that people wont use Linux because Microsoft have bought some studios, I'm arguing that they might not use Linux on a device designed specifically for gaming if they can't play games using services that they've already paid for.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

I mean, there are a lot of reasons not to use Linux still, just because Valve solved a few of them doesn't make any of the others illegitimate. I mean, christ, the desktop user experience is still pretty goddamned terrible, and the only reason I'm personally considering switching in the near future is that Microsoft is working hard to make Windows even worse.

R0flcopt3r 5y ago
The desktop user experience suck on all platforms. Macos is ridden with bugs and inflexibility, Windows is just confusing to me, and Linux depends on which of the hundreds of experiences you pick. I game on Windows, work on Mac. Used fedora daily through uni and before.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  I don't disagree, especially nowadays, but for decades Windows and MacOS have had clearly superior desktop experiences. That's only changed relatively recently and it had a lot less to do with improvements on the Linux side than it did with the commercial OSs getting much worse. I use Fedora Silverblue on two laptops right now. The experience is hardly what I would call "good"[0] and yet it's still the most reasonable I've had with Linux in a long time. [0] GNOME sucks, Kinoite has a lot of issues so kinda stuck with GNOME. rpm-ostree can't handle groups and fails when given large numbers of packages to install. Restricted codecs and ffmpeg need to be installed using rpm-ostree. Stuff like that.
yepthatsreality 5y ago
Plasma has given me everything I could need. For 80% of people that’s going to be a web browser. Outside of that I had no problems migrating my work flows to Linux native apps. There are plenty.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  > For 80% of people that’s going to be a web browser. Why do some people think this is a point in Linux Desktop's favor? Anyone who just needs a web browser could use ChromeOS. Those of us who use a desktop for other things have legitimate criticisms and this is an unfair (and lazy) dismissal.
  - fartcannon 5y ago
    KDE has been the best desktop experience since 3.0 in 2002. There's no comparison if you value your time and mental state.
    - account42 5y ago
      > KDE has been the best desktop experience since 3.0 in 2002. Except for 4.0.
      - fartcannon 5y ago
        Yeah KDE 4 is the Gnome of KDE's.
  - yepthatsreality 5y ago
    Because it’s a point for general usability arguments for the mass public. It’s a feather in the cap of ChromeOS which is a variant of Gentoo, so why can’t it be that for other Linux OSes. Linux software already provides anything outside of a browser…does that need to be touted a long side of it also?
lordfoom 5y ago
> I mean, christ, the desktop user experience is still pretty goddamned terrible Going to have to disagree with you there. The linux desktop experience is now superior to the windows desktop experience.

JamesMcMinn 5y ago

I've used Linux as my daily driver for near enough 20 years at this point. I'm not arguing that people wont use Linux because Microsoft have bought some studios, I'm arguing that they might not use Linux on a device designed specifically for gaming if they can't play games using services that they've already paid for.