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I actually agree with you. On Android, you can side load, but you're warned if you destroy your life via some strange binary you found on the internet, that's

I actually agree with you. On Android, you can side load, but you're warned if you destroy your life via some strange binary you found on the internet, that's on you. On iOS, it's more than a reasonable to say you're using an third-party payment service which is not subject to Apple security. If your tech savvy, you know that this is just fear-mongering on Apple's part. And if you're not tech savvy, then stick to using Apple payments for everything

ninkendo 5y ago
> If your tech savvy, you know that this is just fear-mongering on Apple's part. Apple has a policy where every subscription model that is paid for via the app store needs to be one-click cancelable, and from a single system menu that shows all of your subscriptions. That's an actual protection that the app store gives me, the customer, and which I might not receive from other payment processors... so it's not really as much "fear mongering" as you're making it out to be.
- jamil7 5y ago
  But if you're going through manual app review anyway can they just enforce one-click subscription cancellation like they do with one-click user account deletion?
  - pauldd7 5y ago
    Any app owner can deny that happened and charge you again next month.
    - jamil7 5y ago
      An app owner can already pull all kinds of scams, it's Apple's job to enforce that they don't as much as possible, otherwise why are they taking such a large cut from my apps + 100 dollars per year?
  - ninkendo 5y ago
    It’s not just that it’s one-click, it’s that there’s a single menu in Settings.app that shows you all of your subscriptions, which is helpful in case you forgot you had one, and will show you exactly how much it costs per month, how long a trial period has left, will notify when your trial period is about to end, etc. You can really only do that with third party payment processors if there’s some standard API/protocol/standard for the management of subscriptions… which would be great, but probably isn’t all that feasible in the medium term. It would be great if Apple did that though.
    - jamil7 5y ago
      Yeah, I think it's a great feature of iOS. I think long term there isn't any reason Apple could not offer a way to integrate with the Settings.app, maybe in the similar way that they allow apps to build their own settings page into the Settings.app and make it a requirement of using a third-party payment processor during review.
Grustaf 5y ago
It's not just fear mongering though. The risk that Apple will steal your credit card details is exactly zero. With a third-party it's definitely not zero, and there are plenty of people who are suspicious enough to barely trust Apple with their credit card.
- 999900000999 5y ago
  I personally will probably stick to only using Apple payments, but I respect the right of others to want to use different payment systems. Plus other payment providers, such as PayPal and stripe have their own dispute resolution processes.
viktorcode 5y ago
I'm tech savvy and that's exactly why I'll be avoiding third-party payment systems on iOS. But yeah, I don't need an explicit reminder to do that.

ninkendo 5y ago

> If your tech savvy, you know that this is just fear-mongering on Apple's part. Apple has a policy where every subscription model that is paid for via the app store needs to be one-click cancelable, and from a single system menu that shows all of your subscriptions. That's an actual protection that the app store gives me, the customer, and which I might not receive from other payment processors... so it's not really as much "fear mongering" as you're making it out to be.

jamil7 5y ago
But if you're going through manual app review anyway can they just enforce one-click subscription cancellation like they do with one-click user account deletion?
- pauldd7 5y ago
  Any app owner can deny that happened and charge you again next month.
  - jamil7 5y ago
    An app owner can already pull all kinds of scams, it's Apple's job to enforce that they don't as much as possible, otherwise why are they taking such a large cut from my apps + 100 dollars per year?
- ninkendo 5y ago
  It’s not just that it’s one-click, it’s that there’s a single menu in Settings.app that shows you all of your subscriptions, which is helpful in case you forgot you had one, and will show you exactly how much it costs per month, how long a trial period has left, will notify when your trial period is about to end, etc. You can really only do that with third party payment processors if there’s some standard API/protocol/standard for the management of subscriptions… which would be great, but probably isn’t all that feasible in the medium term. It would be great if Apple did that though.
  - jamil7 5y ago
    Yeah, I think it's a great feature of iOS. I think long term there isn't any reason Apple could not offer a way to integrate with the Settings.app, maybe in the similar way that they allow apps to build their own settings page into the Settings.app and make it a requirement of using a third-party payment processor during review.

Grustaf 5y ago

It's not just fear mongering though. The risk that Apple will steal your credit card details is exactly zero. With a third-party it's definitely not zero, and there are plenty of people who are suspicious enough to barely trust Apple with their credit card.

999900000999 5y ago
I personally will probably stick to only using Apple payments, but I respect the right of others to want to use different payment systems. Plus other payment providers, such as PayPal and stripe have their own dispute resolution processes.

viktorcode 5y ago

I'm tech savvy and that's exactly why I'll be avoiding third-party payment systems on iOS. But yeah, I don't need an explicit reminder to do that.