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I think that the best way for Apple to conform to all those regulations would be dual-tiering the iPhone (which I know they avoided for years) in software or ev

by xlii 5y ago

I think that the best way for Apple to conform to all those regulations would be dual-tiering the iPhone (which I know they avoided for years) in software or even by two box designs. One would be "casual" iPhone (called just iPhone or iPhone Family), that'd have all the safety warnings, walled garden exits notification etc. etc., and then there would be "expert" edition or whatever, where there would be minimal notifications + link to menu where one could disable those notification/customize more/allow for more unsafe automations and such. Maybe even with swapping one to another in a hard way (for example requiring resetting full phone and re-linking it again - so it cannot be casually by convincing someone to). I understand that for some people Apple is monopolist and closed garden, but for me my family this is exactly what I want. They don't care for security, 3rd party providers, iCloud storage options or how to not lose their photos and videos - and I don't want to be made to care for them for updates, configuration, security etc, and receive a call phone very single time they are confused by dialog (with state-mandated COVID app I spent ~40m with multiple people each on phone clicking them through the app). I always believed that if someone wanted to tinker and hack around Android was the choice, if someone didn't care and wanted a phone that "just works" with sensible defaults and lack of knobs they'd go for iPhone. What's the dumb option now?

simion314 5y ago
>I understand that for some people Apple is monopolist and closed garden, but for me my family this is exactly what I want. They don't care for security, 3rd party providers, iCloud storage options or how to not lose their photos and videos - and I don't want to be made to care for them for updates, configuration, security etc, and receive a call phone very single time they are confused by dialog (with state-mandated COVID app I spent ~40m with multiple people each on phone clicking them through the app). But don't be selfish. You and your family are fine today but tomorrow some Apple decision will affect you and only then will you start complaining. You need to just the option to leave the garden , nobody is forcing you , say if buying an audio book and paying with PayPal is 25% cheaper but you love Apple so, so much you want o pay more nobody would force you not to pay with Apple(Apple could demand an Apple payment option but should not force that they get the smaller prices like Amazon do). Same with applications, nobody forces you to install a third party App Store, Apple can make this setting hidden, make a clear video on why this is bad (they should be honest though and not spread FUD). The truth is that on OSX you don't see the MAc users installing like retards malware and on Android I did not see any major app refusing to publish in the Google Play Store, Unfortunetly the reverse is true, you can't find most apps directly on the source website but you are forced to install the Google Store. TL:DR 1 is not about security, it is about money. 2 nobody is forced to use anything else then Apple(no FB will not move their app from the store, they did not do it in Android and there is no intelligent argument they would do it for iOS)
easton 5y ago
> Maybe even with swapping one to another in a hard way (for example requiring resetting full phone and re-linking it again - so it cannot be casually by convincing someone to). This is the idea I've liked the most, require plugging into Apple Configurator or Xcode to put the device into developer "beware all ye who enter here" mode which forces a wipe. I've never heard of anyone casually unlocking their bootloader on Android, which requires a similar process. You'd lose most people once you said "plug it into a computer", and everyone who isn't a dev once you said "wipe the phone".
Grustaf 5y ago
One reason they're not doing that is that more than 99% of people would buy the family edition.

by xlii 5y ago

simion314 5y ago

>I understand that for some people Apple is monopolist and closed garden, but for me my family this is exactly what I want. They don't care for security, 3rd party providers, iCloud storage options or how to not lose their photos and videos - and I don't want to be made to care for them for updates, configuration, security etc, and receive a call phone very single time they are confused by dialog (with state-mandated COVID app I spent ~40m with multiple people each on phone clicking them through the app). But don't be selfish. You and your family are fine today but tomorrow some Apple decision will affect you and only then will you start complaining. You need to just the option to leave the garden , nobody is forcing you , say if buying an audio book and paying with PayPal is 25% cheaper but you love Apple so, so much you want o pay more nobody would force you not to pay with Apple(Apple could demand an Apple payment option but should not force that they get the smaller prices like Amazon do). Same with applications, nobody forces you to install a third party App Store, Apple can make this setting hidden, make a clear video on why this is bad (they should be honest though and not spread FUD). The truth is that on OSX you don't see the MAc users installing like retards malware and on Android I did not see any major app refusing to publish in the Google Play Store, Unfortunetly the reverse is true, you can't find most apps directly on the source website but you are forced to install the Google Store. TL:DR 1 is not about security, it is about money. 2 nobody is forced to use anything else then Apple(no FB will not move their app from the store, they did not do it in Android and there is no intelligent argument they would do it for iOS)

easton 5y ago

> Maybe even with swapping one to another in a hard way (for example requiring resetting full phone and re-linking it again - so it cannot be casually by convincing someone to). This is the idea I've liked the most, require plugging into Apple Configurator or Xcode to put the device into developer "beware all ye who enter here" mode which forces a wipe. I've never heard of anyone casually unlocking their bootloader on Android, which requires a similar process. You'd lose most people once you said "plug it into a computer", and everyone who isn't a dev once you said "wipe the phone".

Grustaf 5y ago

One reason they're not doing that is that more than 99% of people would buy the family edition.