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I hear you, but: - what’s the demand for travel from Birmingham to Chicago? - what’s the ecological cost of laying rail from Birmingham straight north? We co
by mlac 5y ago
I hear you, but:
- what’s the demand for travel from Birmingham to Chicago?
- what’s the ecological cost of laying rail from Birmingham straight north?
We could subsidize a lot of plane flights / busses on existing highway infrastructure before it makes sense to lay down rail, even between Birmingham and Nashville.
And it looks like Birmingham > Nashville is a < 3 hour car ride. So would most people want to drive to a train station, wait at the train, then take the train 1.5 hours (assuming high speed at 140 mph) then deal with last mile transit / car rental in Nashville?
Never mind that train route runs right through Franklin, which has insane property costs and I can imagine NIMBY-ism going on, so you’d have to route around it.
The cost for a high speed rail is estimated at $154 million per mile, which would be $30 BN to build the segment between Birmingham and Nashville.
Then it’s a billion dollar soft target, so security and terrorism are a concern, especially being the first example of high speed rail in middle America. It would take one extremist with a rifle to shut it down / reduce ridership. They wouldn’t even have to hit anyone, just shoot at it as it went past one of the many fields.
And at 30 BN, you won’t ever see the ROI, and it would require federal funding - which many would ask why someone in Montana should pay for rail transport in between Birmingham and Nashville, and it would probably die before funded. The government spends $315 Million to subsidize small airports around the country per year, which may be a more effective use of tax payer dollars.
All that said, I understand why you want someone to solve this problem - it would open up all sorts of towns for lower cost of living in Nashville / surrounding cities. Especially if it was subsidized for riders. If the hyper loop becomes a thing, I’ll be excited. I also understand there are people who just won’t get on planes.
Cost estimate: https://reason.org/commentary/on-high-speed-rail-look-at-the-costs-and-results-before-you-leap/ https://reason.org/commentary/on-high-speed-rail-look-at-the...
EAS subsidy: https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-aviations-battle-serve-remote-american-cities-reap-subsidies-2021-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-aviations-battle-serv...
- greenie_beans 5y agocost is a good point, i didn't know that. maybe a realistic goal would be a direct train to chicago from birmingham. it doesn't have to be high speed. i just looked it up again, and it would take 40 hours. the route would go through atlanta to virginia and then it heads towards illinois. there is currently no amtrak from birmingham to nashville. the only way is via bus. obviously the south is very car-centric but that's a legacy of the infrastructure we built in the past. i don't see why we can't try to build infrastructure with a bigger emphasis on better public transit (primarily trains) rather than automobiles, so we can have that legacy in the future. idk if the terrorist concern is a strong argument? you could make the same argument against planes. and how would an extremist with a rifle shut down a train? what is stopping them from doing that on a backed up, slow moving interstate highway, today? that seems easier to hit than a high speed train. have you ever shot a gun at a moving target? extremists with rifles are already, in 2022, a bigger risk in public spaces like churches and restaurants and malls and town squares and schools.
- greenie_beans 5y agoalso those cost numbers are coming from a very biased media company's independent "assessment" so i'm skeptical of those numbers.