The source of confusion is probably that I'm not talking about the suburban US but basically just most cities in Europe or the UK. You can live in basically an

The source of confusion is probably that I'm not talking about the suburban US but basically just most cities in Europe or the UK. You can live in basically any city (actual city, not the suburbs) and have most things close by, it's an available option. What I'm arguing against is the idea that we should make everywhere like this, or that within those zones we should seek to make travel awkward for the sake of maintaining the 15-minute ideal. For example, if you have to ban cars in my street to bring it from a 'everything within 20-minutes' to 'everything within 15-minutes', then logically in my view you lose more. This is just anecdotal, but my street is full of stuff like camper vans, off road vehicles, tourers and cool shit, they'd have to either give up their hobbies or move out and into the country.