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>if you want to stay dry I think a coat might be in order. >or you're impaired A lot of impaired people can't drive at all, their lives would be objectively

>if you want to stay dry I think a coat might be in order. >or you're impaired A lot of impaired people can't drive at all, their lives would be objectively improved if they could use bike lanes to move about. Look at any video of bike paths in the Netherlands and you will see a ton of people on mobility scooters. >or you are carrying significant loads Everything can be delivered to your door at the press of a button now.

toyg 5y ago
> I think a coat might be in order. The coat won't stay dry though. > you will see a ton of people on mobility scooters. Mobility scooters in bike lanes are dangerous - they take a lot of space and sit below line of sight of many bikers. They are dangerous to themselves on the road, and are dangerous to people on pavements. All in all, they tend to be a terrible idea. > Everything can be delivered to your door at the press of a button now. ... by cars.
- ryukafalz 5y ago
  Mobility scooters are just fine in bike lanes. Your view is unimpeded on a bike; if you can't see a mobility scooter in front of you (especially since, as you say, they're a bit bigger), I dunno what to say. https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/who-else-benefits-from-the-dutch-cycling-infrastructure/ https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/who-else-benef...
- alamortsubite 5y ago
  > ... by cars. Right on! Imagine the utopia if the only cars on the road were delivery vehicles.
- nautilius 5y ago
  > ... by cars. Perfect, right? Somehow, not everyone driving to the dump to get rid of their trash - but one car picking it up in the neighborhood! Not everyone driving to the post office, but a single car bringing mail to the neighborhood! I predicted a return to delivery of generics at the begin of the pandemic (e.g. milk, bread, toilet paper) and was obviously very wrong - but it sure would be more efficient.
- Steltek 5y ago
  > Mobility scooters ... sit below line of sight of many bikers This hurts my head. Is everyone riding a recumbent bike or something? What the hell could possibly block your view on a bicycle?!
shmel 5y ago
>Everything can be delivered to your door at the press of a button now. Right, could you provide me a solution if I want to buy an used coffee table off FB marketplace or something like that? Do I hire a van beforehand? What if I get there and that guy from FB already sold it to someone else? What if I don't like it? Do I try to call a big uber while standing outside under the rain with a damn table? What if I go to IKEA to buy a mattress, it is right there, I can take it [if I had a car], but they tell me "sorry, our delivery slots are all taken for next 2 weeks"? What if I want to order my weekly groceries like I always do, but suddenly we have a global pandemic, everybody wants groceries, and all I can get is pickup from a store 5 miles away? That is not made up, that's literally my life.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  > What if I want to order my weekly groceries like I always do, but suddenly we have a global pandemic, everybody wants groceries, and all I can get is pickup from a store 5 miles away? Funnily enough I did exactly that with my bike during the initial lockdown.
- ryan_lane 5y ago
  If you don't have a car, when you have large items, there's either delivery available, you hire someone to transport it, or you rent a vehicle to go get it. I've lived without a car for 12 years. It's really not that big of a deal, and the situations you're discussing are pretty infrequent. As for groceries, if you have a grocery store within a 5 minute walk (which is the norm in dense cities), you don't need to buy a week's worth of groceries at a time. I go to the grocery store for quick trips a couple times a week. If you have more groceries, there's little carts (the ones you usually see old people with) that you can pull behind you. The nicest thing about this approach is that your food will generally be fresher; not only because you use it closer to when you buy it, but also because the sales in the store is higher so food isn't sitting on the shelves for long periods of time. You're considering a reduction of cars as if your city is like it currently is; just without cars. The reality is that there'll be an increase in pedestrians and bike riders, which will lead to higher density and more demand for smaller, closer shops, restaurants and grocery stores. It's something that will happen slowly, and in general your life will become more livable in many ways. Of course if you refuse to adapt, it'll be annoying in other ways, since there'll be less (or no) free parking, lower speed limits, more narrow streets, and you will have to pay greater attention to pedestrians and bikers.
xtracto 5y ago
> I think a coat might be in order. Ow, you should experience one of the tropical rains in my hometown (Yucatan peninsula). There's NO way you will stay dry through your public-transport experience once it starts raining. In fact, if you take the bus and it starts to rain before you have to get down, you would normally accept that you'll get soaked, no matter how many coats, umbrellas and other water-repellent mechanisms you have.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  The way people talk about this stuff you would think that life didn't exist before 1886.

toyg 5y ago

> I think a coat might be in order. The coat won't stay dry though. > you will see a ton of people on mobility scooters. Mobility scooters in bike lanes are dangerous - they take a lot of space and sit below line of sight of many bikers. They are dangerous to themselves on the road, and are dangerous to people on pavements. All in all, they tend to be a terrible idea. > Everything can be delivered to your door at the press of a button now. ... by cars.

ryukafalz 5y ago
Mobility scooters are just fine in bike lanes. Your view is unimpeded on a bike; if you can't see a mobility scooter in front of you (especially since, as you say, they're a bit bigger), I dunno what to say. https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/who-else-benefits-from-the-dutch-cycling-infrastructure/ https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/who-else-benef...
alamortsubite 5y ago
> ... by cars. Right on! Imagine the utopia if the only cars on the road were delivery vehicles.
nautilius 5y ago
> ... by cars. Perfect, right? Somehow, not everyone driving to the dump to get rid of their trash - but one car picking it up in the neighborhood! Not everyone driving to the post office, but a single car bringing mail to the neighborhood! I predicted a return to delivery of generics at the begin of the pandemic (e.g. milk, bread, toilet paper) and was obviously very wrong - but it sure would be more efficient.
Steltek 5y ago
> Mobility scooters ... sit below line of sight of many bikers This hurts my head. Is everyone riding a recumbent bike or something? What the hell could possibly block your view on a bicycle?!

shmel 5y ago

>Everything can be delivered to your door at the press of a button now. Right, could you provide me a solution if I want to buy an used coffee table off FB marketplace or something like that? Do I hire a van beforehand? What if I get there and that guy from FB already sold it to someone else? What if I don't like it? Do I try to call a big uber while standing outside under the rain with a damn table? What if I go to IKEA to buy a mattress, it is right there, I can take it [if I had a car], but they tell me "sorry, our delivery slots are all taken for next 2 weeks"? What if I want to order my weekly groceries like I always do, but suddenly we have a global pandemic, everybody wants groceries, and all I can get is pickup from a store 5 miles away? That is not made up, that's literally my life.

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
> What if I want to order my weekly groceries like I always do, but suddenly we have a global pandemic, everybody wants groceries, and all I can get is pickup from a store 5 miles away? Funnily enough I did exactly that with my bike during the initial lockdown.
ryan_lane 5y ago
If you don't have a car, when you have large items, there's either delivery available, you hire someone to transport it, or you rent a vehicle to go get it. I've lived without a car for 12 years. It's really not that big of a deal, and the situations you're discussing are pretty infrequent. As for groceries, if you have a grocery store within a 5 minute walk (which is the norm in dense cities), you don't need to buy a week's worth of groceries at a time. I go to the grocery store for quick trips a couple times a week. If you have more groceries, there's little carts (the ones you usually see old people with) that you can pull behind you. The nicest thing about this approach is that your food will generally be fresher; not only because you use it closer to when you buy it, but also because the sales in the store is higher so food isn't sitting on the shelves for long periods of time. You're considering a reduction of cars as if your city is like it currently is; just without cars. The reality is that there'll be an increase in pedestrians and bike riders, which will lead to higher density and more demand for smaller, closer shops, restaurants and grocery stores. It's something that will happen slowly, and in general your life will become more livable in many ways. Of course if you refuse to adapt, it'll be annoying in other ways, since there'll be less (or no) free parking, lower speed limits, more narrow streets, and you will have to pay greater attention to pedestrians and bikers.

xtracto 5y ago

> I think a coat might be in order. Ow, you should experience one of the tropical rains in my hometown (Yucatan peninsula). There's NO way you will stay dry through your public-transport experience once it starts raining. In fact, if you take the bus and it starts to rain before you have to get down, you would normally accept that you'll get soaked, no matter how many coats, umbrellas and other water-repellent mechanisms you have.

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
The way people talk about this stuff you would think that life didn't exist before 1886.