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> The X13 does not have a 32-core APU. The highest spec available is the 4750U with 8C/16T. > The latest MacBook Pro does not come with an Ethernet port. Than

by koiueo 5y ago

> The X13 does not have a 32-core APU. The highest spec available is the 4750U with 8C/16T. > The latest MacBook Pro does not come with an Ethernet port. Thank you for catching all this. Fixed. > - 1600p matte display looks amazing I agree, matte display is great. And as I said, I calibrated mine. > - proper support for S3, very low S3 power consumption Strange, I've seen reports on the Lenovo support forums that Gen 2 laptops are also susceptible to the battery drain in S3. Was it always like this? Or was it fixed with some firmware update?

chrisseaton 5y ago
> matte display is great I thought we moved past whatever technical limitation it was that required matte surfaces on flat displays? It's like having Vaseline smeared on the screen, diffusing all the colour - why would you actively want that?
- sdflhasjd 5y ago
  It's the other way around, I think, there are technological challenges to using Matt coatings The issue is, like you said, the smearing and contrast, which was a bigger issue with newer, high DPI displays. That being said, I do believe there are solutions - I have used 4k Matt displays that don't have the aforementioned issue, I think most glossy displays are there for there as a form over function thing. Glossy displays are still annoyingly reflective and good antiglare coatings are exceedingly easy to damage
  - sgt 5y ago
    I disagree with that. Take a look at MacBooks for example - excellent screens that are glossy but not very reflective. Never seen anything better on a laptop.
    - nvarsj 5y ago
      Have you ever tried working outdoors on a glossy screen? You will wish very fast it was matte.
      - sgt 5y ago
        If by outdoors you mean coffee shops and so on, it's fine. But yeah in the open it is bad, like most cell phones etc. I don't consider that a common use case. If you do field work, get some shade behind/over you. Plenty of reasons for that.
- tjoff 5y ago
  The only technical limitation we have is that matte displays collect dust etc. so they are not suitable for touch-devices. Why some manufacturers would want to use glossy on any non-touch device is beyond me.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    > Why some manufacturers would want to use glossy on any non-touch device is beyond me. Colour vibrancy and sharpness. A matte screen is literally a defuser between you and the actual content.
    - tjoff 5y ago
      And unless you are i a pitch-black room that is exactly what you want. And displays arent high-resolution enough for it to be a big deal anyway.
      - Fnoord 5y ago
        Exactly what I wanted was a MBP2015 13/15 inch with "retina display" ie. 2560x1600 px glossy with anti reflective coating (the first iterations would have the coating get loose but I was able to get free replacement on both). Not matte. Its what I got (both 13" and 15"), though they're showing their age. With brightness on full, there's barely any reflection (I get easily distracted and I don't notice it). If Mac ecosystem is a must, the spiritual successor would be a M1-based laptop. These have, on paper, even better screens.
        tjoff 5y ago
        Glossy with anti-reflective coating is in my experience just a poor after-market matte filter.
        Fnoord 5y ago
        All recent MBPs have this, and these are known for their fantastic screens. Nothing Windows (nor Linux) comes close to it. But of course, you are entitled to your informed opinion. Please share with us, which specific laptop screens you prefer.
- bityard 5y ago
  There never was a technical limitation, matte coatings were a deliberate design choice and continue to be. Maybe some people like the "pop" of a glossy display but the rest of us don't like to suffer from glare and reflections while we work.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    I don't understand why you'd want to deliberately diffuse the output of your screen? Like if you wanted it blurry you could have done that in software.
    - l8rlump 5y ago
      I guess the diffusion is a bit like a sub-pixel sized blur, but you can’t reduce reflections in software though.
    - bityard 5y ago
      > I don't understand why you'd want to deliberately diffuse the output of your screen? I already said why: reflections and glare make for a terrible work experience. That's why matte is the default preference for most people. > Like if you wanted it blurry you could have done that in software. The "grains" (for lack of a better word) in a matte coating are truly microscopic. They don't make anything blurry. I get the impression that either you're just trolling or you've never actually seen a matte display.
kogepathic 5y ago
> Strange, I've seen reports on the Lenovo support forums that Gen 2 laptops are also susceptible to the battery drain in S3. Was it always like this? Or was it fixed with some firmware update? I am not sure. The first thing I did when I received my X13 AMD Gen 2 (20XH) was update the firmware to the latest available version at the time (1.14) and I haven't had any issues.

by koiueo 5y ago

chrisseaton 5y ago

> matte display is great I thought we moved past whatever technical limitation it was that required matte surfaces on flat displays? It's like having Vaseline smeared on the screen, diffusing all the colour - why would you actively want that?

sdflhasjd 5y ago
It's the other way around, I think, there are technological challenges to using Matt coatings The issue is, like you said, the smearing and contrast, which was a bigger issue with newer, high DPI displays. That being said, I do believe there are solutions - I have used 4k Matt displays that don't have the aforementioned issue, I think most glossy displays are there for there as a form over function thing. Glossy displays are still annoyingly reflective and good antiglare coatings are exceedingly easy to damage
- sgt 5y ago
  I disagree with that. Take a look at MacBooks for example - excellent screens that are glossy but not very reflective. Never seen anything better on a laptop.
  - nvarsj 5y ago
    Have you ever tried working outdoors on a glossy screen? You will wish very fast it was matte.
    - sgt 5y ago
      If by outdoors you mean coffee shops and so on, it's fine. But yeah in the open it is bad, like most cell phones etc. I don't consider that a common use case. If you do field work, get some shade behind/over you. Plenty of reasons for that.
tjoff 5y ago
The only technical limitation we have is that matte displays collect dust etc. so they are not suitable for touch-devices. Why some manufacturers would want to use glossy on any non-touch device is beyond me.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > Why some manufacturers would want to use glossy on any non-touch device is beyond me. Colour vibrancy and sharpness. A matte screen is literally a defuser between you and the actual content.
  - tjoff 5y ago
    And unless you are i a pitch-black room that is exactly what you want. And displays arent high-resolution enough for it to be a big deal anyway.
    - Fnoord 5y ago
      Exactly what I wanted was a MBP2015 13/15 inch with "retina display" ie. 2560x1600 px glossy with anti reflective coating (the first iterations would have the coating get loose but I was able to get free replacement on both). Not matte. Its what I got (both 13" and 15"), though they're showing their age. With brightness on full, there's barely any reflection (I get easily distracted and I don't notice it). If Mac ecosystem is a must, the spiritual successor would be a M1-based laptop. These have, on paper, even better screens.
      - tjoff 5y ago
        Glossy with anti-reflective coating is in my experience just a poor after-market matte filter.
        Fnoord 5y ago
        All recent MBPs have this, and these are known for their fantastic screens. Nothing Windows (nor Linux) comes close to it. But of course, you are entitled to your informed opinion. Please share with us, which specific laptop screens you prefer.
bityard 5y ago
There never was a technical limitation, matte coatings were a deliberate design choice and continue to be. Maybe some people like the "pop" of a glossy display but the rest of us don't like to suffer from glare and reflections while we work.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  I don't understand why you'd want to deliberately diffuse the output of your screen? Like if you wanted it blurry you could have done that in software.
  - l8rlump 5y ago
    I guess the diffusion is a bit like a sub-pixel sized blur, but you can’t reduce reflections in software though.
  - bityard 5y ago
    > I don't understand why you'd want to deliberately diffuse the output of your screen? I already said why: reflections and glare make for a terrible work experience. That's why matte is the default preference for most people. > Like if you wanted it blurry you could have done that in software. The "grains" (for lack of a better word) in a matte coating are truly microscopic. They don't make anything blurry. I get the impression that either you're just trolling or you've never actually seen a matte display.

kogepathic 5y ago

> Strange, I've seen reports on the Lenovo support forums that Gen 2 laptops are also susceptible to the battery drain in S3. Was it always like this? Or was it fixed with some firmware update? I am not sure. The first thing I did when I received my X13 AMD Gen 2 (20XH) was update the firmware to the latest available version at the time (1.14) and I haven't had any issues.