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The question is not can you use something else, it's are they nicer/better tools to work with. I haven't for example seen many things that can honestly compete

The question is not can you use something else, it's are they nicer/better tools to work with. I haven't for example seen many things that can honestly compete with WordPress. When it comes to eCommerce, not many systems can compete with Magento/Spryker/Sylius. The list goes on. PHP is a top player in web development while being one of the most hated languages for a reason. I've spent a lot of time using PHP professionally and then coding all my personal stuff in Python/Go/Scala/Kotlin/etc. I know the downsides of PHP and I know the upsides and I often prefer coding in other languages but PHP really does have it's place.

berkes 5y ago
> I haven't for example seen many things that can honestly compete with WordPress. I'm sorry? Compete on what parameters? Almost all frameworks win, hands down, in developer-friendlyness from WordPress. Many, if not most, modern CMSes can easily compete on security or performance. Many CMSes will win in user-friendlyness - for distinct use-case even more so. Many web-frameworks win easily in versatility: there's no way you can build a solid payment-service-provider in WordPress, build a Bookkeeping app, CRM, project-management, etc in WP. Yet these are fine in Java, .net, Rails, Django or even Rust. The only place where I consider WordPress king, is for standalone, reasonably simple, blogs. This is a giant niche. * standalone: not integrated into CRMs, or editorial workflow software. reasonably simple: no complex editorial and publishing workflows. blogs: anything slightly more than simple brochureware, but simpler than an avera CMSes.
- that_guy_iain 5y ago
  The fact you're talking about building a payment service provider in a CMS kind of tells me this isn't a conversation worth continuing.
  - berkes 5y ago
    Sorry for not being more clear. I was saying this exact thing: WordPress is just a CMS, which severely limits what you can sanely do with it. You won't build a PSP in a CMS. That was my point.
  - Nextgrid 5y ago
    I have seen something similar to a payment provider being done in Wordpress. The only silver lining is that the ledger was technically maintained by a third-party and WP was just the frontend to it.
    - berkes 5y ago
      Me too. And I've seen CRMs built in WP, eCommerce, an auction marketplace, financial dashboard, and so on. But, indeed, processing financial transactions through WordPress is amongst the most scary things I ever saw in computing.
dotancohen 5y ago
> not many systems can compete with Magento/Spryker/Sylius I'm evaluating eCommerce solutions for a Magento 1 upgrade path. I'm already evaluating Magento 2 and Sylius, but I've yet heard of Spryker. I found the PaaS offering, but even from their Github account I don't see any PHP application that would be an alternative to Magento or something based off Sylius. If you have any links or further information I've love to know. Thanks.

berkes 5y ago

> I haven't for example seen many things that can honestly compete with WordPress. I'm sorry? Compete on what parameters? Almost all frameworks win, hands down, in developer-friendlyness from WordPress. Many, if not most, modern CMSes can easily compete on security or performance. Many CMSes will win in user-friendlyness - for distinct use-case even more so. Many web-frameworks win easily in versatility: there's no way you can build a solid payment-service-provider in WordPress, build a Bookkeeping app, CRM, project-management, etc in WP. Yet these are fine in Java, .net, Rails, Django or even Rust. The only place where I consider WordPress king, is for standalone, reasonably simple, blogs. This is a giant niche. * standalone: not integrated into CRMs, or editorial workflow software. reasonably simple: no complex editorial and publishing workflows. blogs: anything slightly more than simple brochureware, but simpler than an avera CMSes.

that_guy_iain 5y ago
The fact you're talking about building a payment service provider in a CMS kind of tells me this isn't a conversation worth continuing.
- berkes 5y ago
  Sorry for not being more clear. I was saying this exact thing: WordPress is just a CMS, which severely limits what you can sanely do with it. You won't build a PSP in a CMS. That was my point.
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  I have seen something similar to a payment provider being done in Wordpress. The only silver lining is that the ledger was technically maintained by a third-party and WP was just the frontend to it.
  - berkes 5y ago
    Me too. And I've seen CRMs built in WP, eCommerce, an auction marketplace, financial dashboard, and so on. But, indeed, processing financial transactions through WordPress is amongst the most scary things I ever saw in computing.

dotancohen 5y ago

> not many systems can compete with Magento/Spryker/Sylius I'm evaluating eCommerce solutions for a Magento 1 upgrade path. I'm already evaluating Magento 2 and Sylius, but I've yet heard of Spryker. I found the PaaS offering, but even from their Github account I don't see any PHP application that would be an alternative to Magento or something based off Sylius. If you have any links or further information I've love to know. Thanks.