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My main problem with many (most?) chat tools is that of retrieving information. In Element (the default Matrix client), search isn't (yet?) implemented. So how

by jcynix 5y ago

My main problem with many (most?) chat tools is that of retrieving information. In Element (the default Matrix client), search isn't (yet?) implemented. So how do I find the note from some days ago where I remembered a keyword? No search ... ok, let's export the chat protocol then (onto an encrypted disc, because security) and search with grep or even agrep, but ... no export option either. So the bottom line is: information lost in cyber space. This never happened to me with email, even when encrypted (as long as I have the privates keys). All MUAs offer search capabilities, and/or exports so I have access to existing information.

reitanuki 5y ago
Both search and chat export features exist for rooms in Element and have done so for a while. Not to say it's flawless to retrieve information (and personally I would like to see an archival-type client / tempted to make one), but it would be wrong to say it doesn't exist! :)
- jcynix 5y ago
  Me enters room, hits search button in (encryped) room in the Android client. A dialog pops up telling me that search in encrypted rooms isn't yet supported. Export? Nothing even remotely like that visible. So if it exists, it's some kind of fractal existence ;-0 The Mac client has a search button and it asks me for a search term. When I enter a string (which I know to appear in the room I selected) the search reports ""No results" ... I'm not sure if I'd call this an "existing search capability" either ;-0 OK, I have to admit that the latest Mac client now (finally) has an export feature, as I just checked. So it seems usability improvements happen, albeit slowly and unevenly deployed.
sshine 5y ago
> My main problem with many (most?) chat tools is that of retrieving information. With irssi (IRC in general), you grep a logfile. Since I don’t log, I only /lastlog on what’s still in my buffers.

by jcynix 5y ago

reitanuki 5y ago

Both search and chat export features exist for rooms in Element and have done so for a while. Not to say it's flawless to retrieve information (and personally I would like to see an archival-type client / tempted to make one), but it would be wrong to say it doesn't exist! :)

jcynix 5y ago
Me enters room, hits search button in (encryped) room in the Android client. A dialog pops up telling me that search in encrypted rooms isn't yet supported. Export? Nothing even remotely like that visible. So if it exists, it's some kind of fractal existence ;-0 The Mac client has a search button and it asks me for a search term. When I enter a string (which I know to appear in the room I selected) the search reports ""No results" ... I'm not sure if I'd call this an "existing search capability" either ;-0 OK, I have to admit that the latest Mac client now (finally) has an export feature, as I just checked. So it seems usability improvements happen, albeit slowly and unevenly deployed.

sshine 5y ago

> My main problem with many (most?) chat tools is that of retrieving information. With irssi (IRC in general), you grep a logfile. Since I don’t log, I only /lastlog on what’s still in my buffers.