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Like Robert Malone, the vaccinated anti-vaxxer? The “doctor” who never completed residency and has absolutely no clinical experience?

adflux 5y ago
And what degrees do you posess that you can say he shouldnt even be able to talk about the subject? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w maybe you will find this article about Malone interesting.
- camillomiller 5y ago
  >Still, Malone, who calls himself the “inventor of mRNA vaccines”, thinks his work hasn’t been given enough credit. “I’ve been written out of history,” he told Nature. Yeah, it's even worse than what I've written above. He's also pretty much sour that he hasn't been given enough credit.
  - adflux 5y ago
    So what degrees do you possess?
    - camillomiller 5y ago
      He is claiming to be what he is not. He is intellectually dishonest about his experience. This are things I can judge without being a medical professional. I've never said that possessing a degree or title is needed to discuss a topic. And it wouldn't be in the case of Dr. Malone, if he wasn't claiming to be what he is not.
      - adflux 5y ago
        >He is claiming to be what he is not Yes, you are indeed. Here online talking about subjects you probably don't know so much about as an MD or medical PHD of any kind or quality. Even you talking about the subject is totally fine to me. But here you are telling OTHER qualified people not to do the same? The level of hypocrisy is mind boggling.
rlt 5y ago
I’m confused, are you bringing up that he’s vaccinated to discredit him as being hypocritical or otherwise dishonest? If so that’s a very weird position. It can be entirely rational for someone to believe the vaccine is the best choice for them personally, while also being skeptical of the pharmaceutical industry, public health institutions, and the media.
- smackeyacky 5y ago
  Thats not what is happening here. Rogan is clearly pandering to an audience who already know what they want to hear. The people working hard to try to save lives by playing whack-a-mole with some millionaire with a megaphone will always use all the tools at their disposal to stop that flood of misinformation. Rogan is yelling fire in a crowded theatre and cosplaying as a concern troll. He deserves the public scrutiny on his other work. His defenders really need to stop the crocodile tears over Rogan. They also need to stop conflating free speech with dangerous misinformation that has already been debunked but is only kept alive by trolls like him.
  - rlt 5y ago
    > Rogan is clearly pandering to an audience who already know what they want to hear. I don’t think that’s the case for the majority of his listeners. I like him because he’s a good interviewer and has lots of interesting guests from across the political (and apolitical) spectrum. And I’m tripled vaccinated, since I guess that’s needed for credibility now. Serious question: is there a point-by-point debunking of the alleged “dangerous misinformation” appearing on his show? I think funding something like that would have been a better use of Neil Young’s Spotify royalties than just giving them up.
    - smackeyacky 5y ago
      Debunking doesn't seem to work with anti vaxxers or racists. No matter how many facts are placed in front of them, they don't care, don't trust the sources and never absorb anything new unless it fits whatever conspiracy they believe in. This is what makes Rogan so dangerous. He seems reasonable, unlike Alex Jones, but Jones started his slide by flirting with growing his audience through nutters and Rogan will end up the same if he continues.
notch656a 5y ago
At this point calling someone anti-vaxxer is the new ad-hominem fallacy as an intellectually lazy way to attempt to discredit someone without actually examining the merits of their arguments. Anti-vaxxer is also an incredibly vague term, to some people might just mean they're against mandates or forcing someone to take test or vaccine under pain of quarantine to engage in interstate travel (see Hawaii).
- nikolay 5y ago
  Begin against one vaccine does not make one anti-vaxxer. For example, I have all vaccines, my kids are fully-vaccinated, but we never get the flu shots for the same reason a COVID-19 vaccine could be hypothesized to be doing an evolutionary pressure on virus. Also, when we vaccinated our kids, we gave their shots at the upper age boundary, not the lower one for the vaccine, and we spaced them out by at least 6 months. We never gave more than one shot at a time (unfortunately, there are some combox vaccines with no alternatives). In general, I think a vaccine against an RNA virus is a flawed strategy and we should focus on prevention (totally ignored by all governments and replace with ridiculous mandates and measures) and antivirals. For example, the 6-foot distance after we know for 2 years that this virus is airborne makes me angry. The same with sanitization theaters, with the mandatory vaccinations, etc. All these, actually, created the highest number of anti-vaxxers in the human history!
nikolay 5y ago
After I got vaccinated and my wife and I experienced the myocarditis (although we're both over 45), I turned against the mRNA vaccines and the method of giving them without aspiration. I was never fond of the adenovirus ones as there's enough science against that vector.

adflux 5y ago

And what degrees do you posess that you can say he shouldnt even be able to talk about the subject? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w maybe you will find this article about Malone interesting.

camillomiller 5y ago
>Still, Malone, who calls himself the “inventor of mRNA vaccines”, thinks his work hasn’t been given enough credit. “I’ve been written out of history,” he told Nature. Yeah, it's even worse than what I've written above. He's also pretty much sour that he hasn't been given enough credit.
- adflux 5y ago
  So what degrees do you possess?
  - camillomiller 5y ago
    He is claiming to be what he is not. He is intellectually dishonest about his experience. This are things I can judge without being a medical professional. I've never said that possessing a degree or title is needed to discuss a topic. And it wouldn't be in the case of Dr. Malone, if he wasn't claiming to be what he is not.
    - adflux 5y ago
      >He is claiming to be what he is not Yes, you are indeed. Here online talking about subjects you probably don't know so much about as an MD or medical PHD of any kind or quality. Even you talking about the subject is totally fine to me. But here you are telling OTHER qualified people not to do the same? The level of hypocrisy is mind boggling.

rlt 5y ago

I’m confused, are you bringing up that he’s vaccinated to discredit him as being hypocritical or otherwise dishonest? If so that’s a very weird position. It can be entirely rational for someone to believe the vaccine is the best choice for them personally, while also being skeptical of the pharmaceutical industry, public health institutions, and the media.

smackeyacky 5y ago
Thats not what is happening here. Rogan is clearly pandering to an audience who already know what they want to hear. The people working hard to try to save lives by playing whack-a-mole with some millionaire with a megaphone will always use all the tools at their disposal to stop that flood of misinformation. Rogan is yelling fire in a crowded theatre and cosplaying as a concern troll. He deserves the public scrutiny on his other work. His defenders really need to stop the crocodile tears over Rogan. They also need to stop conflating free speech with dangerous misinformation that has already been debunked but is only kept alive by trolls like him.
- rlt 5y ago
  > Rogan is clearly pandering to an audience who already know what they want to hear. I don’t think that’s the case for the majority of his listeners. I like him because he’s a good interviewer and has lots of interesting guests from across the political (and apolitical) spectrum. And I’m tripled vaccinated, since I guess that’s needed for credibility now. Serious question: is there a point-by-point debunking of the alleged “dangerous misinformation” appearing on his show? I think funding something like that would have been a better use of Neil Young’s Spotify royalties than just giving them up.
  - smackeyacky 5y ago
    Debunking doesn't seem to work with anti vaxxers or racists. No matter how many facts are placed in front of them, they don't care, don't trust the sources and never absorb anything new unless it fits whatever conspiracy they believe in. This is what makes Rogan so dangerous. He seems reasonable, unlike Alex Jones, but Jones started his slide by flirting with growing his audience through nutters and Rogan will end up the same if he continues.

notch656a 5y ago

At this point calling someone anti-vaxxer is the new ad-hominem fallacy as an intellectually lazy way to attempt to discredit someone without actually examining the merits of their arguments. Anti-vaxxer is also an incredibly vague term, to some people might just mean they're against mandates or forcing someone to take test or vaccine under pain of quarantine to engage in interstate travel (see Hawaii).

nikolay 5y ago
Begin against one vaccine does not make one anti-vaxxer. For example, I have all vaccines, my kids are fully-vaccinated, but we never get the flu shots for the same reason a COVID-19 vaccine could be hypothesized to be doing an evolutionary pressure on virus. Also, when we vaccinated our kids, we gave their shots at the upper age boundary, not the lower one for the vaccine, and we spaced them out by at least 6 months. We never gave more than one shot at a time (unfortunately, there are some combox vaccines with no alternatives). In general, I think a vaccine against an RNA virus is a flawed strategy and we should focus on prevention (totally ignored by all governments and replace with ridiculous mandates and measures) and antivirals. For example, the 6-foot distance after we know for 2 years that this virus is airborne makes me angry. The same with sanitization theaters, with the mandatory vaccinations, etc. All these, actually, created the highest number of anti-vaxxers in the human history!

nikolay 5y ago

After I got vaccinated and my wife and I experienced the myocarditis (although we're both over 45), I turned against the mRNA vaccines and the method of giving them without aspiration. I was never fond of the adenovirus ones as there's enough science against that vector.