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A sad day for the freedom of speech , when highly qualified phds and medical doctors are not allowed to challenge "the" science.

by adflux 5y ago

daenney 5y ago
Indeed. When hundreds of scientists send a letter raising concerns around “the” “science” published on a platform, it would be great if those platforms took that to heart.
- rlt 5y ago
  Not scientists, not even mostly doctors, just 270 random medical professionals: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10418589/Most-270-signed-anti-Joe-Rogan-letter-demanding-Spotify-action-not-actually-doctors.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10418589/Most-270-s...
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joelbondurant1 5y ago
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PikachuEXE 5y ago
"This is for the record. History is written by the victor. History is filled with liars. If he lives, and we die, his truth becomes written - and ours is lost. Shepherd will be a hero, 'cause all you need to change the world is one good lie and a river of blood. He's about to complete the greatest trick a liar ever played on history. His truth will be the truth. But only if he lives, and we die." — Captain Price's speech in the intro to Endgame. https://callofduty.fandom.com/wiki/John_Price/Quotes https://callofduty.fandom.com/wiki/John_Price/Quotes
dimator 5y ago
Err, aren't the pulled episodes about his use of the N word, not about challenged science?
- notch656a 5y ago
  Are we really going to pretend the N word debacle isn't a result of character assassination directly from those pissed off about the controversial COVID stuff? Hardly anybody gave a fuck about these 70 episodes until it became fashionable to beat on Rogan for his questionable and controversial COVID shows. It's pretty clear people were just searching for some way to hurt Rogan, usually the best way to do so is to blame someone for sexual misconduct or racism which magically only appears once they're on the chopping block for engaging in some other controversial but less damning behavior. Pressuring Rogan to remove episodes is just a convenient way to say "gotcha." It's a tic-for-tat from the ultimatum of the others threatening to remove their own stuff if Rogan didn't.
  - threatofrain 5y ago
    We don't know Spotify's internal reasoning. What we do know is what episodes got removed and what public statements have been made by Spotify and Joe Rogan.
    - notch656a 5y ago
      Yes lets play dumb that we don't understand the acute crisis Rogan's Spotify account is having is from the COVID controversy.
      - threatofrain 5y ago
        No I'm talking about how you have nothing to anchor your words to bring more weight than what anyone else might speculate about Spotify. If you think Spotify actually just cares about the COVID episodes, then it should be pretty easy to point that out from the episodes being removed. If Spotify is worried about the COVID narrative then leaving the COVID episodes up does not reduce their exposure.
camillomiller 5y ago
Like Robert Malone, the vaccinated anti-vaxxer? The “doctor” who never completed residency and has absolutely no clinical experience?
- adflux 5y ago
  And what degrees do you posess that you can say he shouldnt even be able to talk about the subject? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w maybe you will find this article about Malone interesting.
  - camillomiller 5y ago
    >Still, Malone, who calls himself the “inventor of mRNA vaccines”, thinks his work hasn’t been given enough credit. “I’ve been written out of history,” he told Nature. Yeah, it's even worse than what I've written above. He's also pretty much sour that he hasn't been given enough credit.
    - adflux 5y ago
      So what degrees do you possess?
      - camillomiller 5y ago
        He is claiming to be what he is not. He is intellectually dishonest about his experience. This are things I can judge without being a medical professional. I've never said that possessing a degree or title is needed to discuss a topic. And it wouldn't be in the case of Dr. Malone, if he wasn't claiming to be what he is not.
        adflux 5y ago
        >He is claiming to be what he is not Yes, you are indeed. Here online talking about subjects you probably don't know so much about as an MD or medical PHD of any kind or quality. Even you talking about the subject is totally fine to me. But here you are telling OTHER qualified people not to do the same? The level of hypocrisy is mind boggling.

A sad day for the freedom of speech , when highly qualified phds and medical doctors are not allowed to challenge "the" science.

by adflux 5y ago

A sad day for the freedom of speech , when highly qualified phds and medical doctors are not allowed to challenge "the" science.

daenney 5y ago

Indeed. When hundreds of scientists send a letter raising concerns around “the” “science” published on a platform, it would be great if those platforms took that to heart.

rlt 5y ago
Not scientists, not even mostly doctors, just 270 random medical professionals: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10418589/Most-270-signed-anti-Joe-Rogan-letter-demanding-Spotify-action-not-actually-doctors.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10418589/Most-270-s...
- deleted 5y ago
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joelbondurant1 5y ago

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PikachuEXE 5y ago

"This is for the record. History is written by the victor. History is filled with liars. If he lives, and we die, his truth becomes written - and ours is lost. Shepherd will be a hero, 'cause all you need to change the world is one good lie and a river of blood. He's about to complete the greatest trick a liar ever played on history. His truth will be the truth. But only if he lives, and we die." — Captain Price's speech in the intro to Endgame. https://callofduty.fandom.com/wiki/John_Price/Quotes https://callofduty.fandom.com/wiki/John_Price/Quotes

dimator 5y ago

Err, aren't the pulled episodes about his use of the N word, not about challenged science?

notch656a 5y ago
Are we really going to pretend the N word debacle isn't a result of character assassination directly from those pissed off about the controversial COVID stuff? Hardly anybody gave a fuck about these 70 episodes until it became fashionable to beat on Rogan for his questionable and controversial COVID shows. It's pretty clear people were just searching for some way to hurt Rogan, usually the best way to do so is to blame someone for sexual misconduct or racism which magically only appears once they're on the chopping block for engaging in some other controversial but less damning behavior. Pressuring Rogan to remove episodes is just a convenient way to say "gotcha." It's a tic-for-tat from the ultimatum of the others threatening to remove their own stuff if Rogan didn't.
- threatofrain 5y ago
  We don't know Spotify's internal reasoning. What we do know is what episodes got removed and what public statements have been made by Spotify and Joe Rogan.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    Yes lets play dumb that we don't understand the acute crisis Rogan's Spotify account is having is from the COVID controversy.
    - threatofrain 5y ago
      No I'm talking about how you have nothing to anchor your words to bring more weight than what anyone else might speculate about Spotify. If you think Spotify actually just cares about the COVID episodes, then it should be pretty easy to point that out from the episodes being removed. If Spotify is worried about the COVID narrative then leaving the COVID episodes up does not reduce their exposure.

camillomiller 5y ago

Like Robert Malone, the vaccinated anti-vaxxer? The “doctor” who never completed residency and has absolutely no clinical experience?

adflux 5y ago
And what degrees do you posess that you can say he shouldnt even be able to talk about the subject? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w maybe you will find this article about Malone interesting.
- camillomiller 5y ago
  >Still, Malone, who calls himself the “inventor of mRNA vaccines”, thinks his work hasn’t been given enough credit. “I’ve been written out of history,” he told Nature. Yeah, it's even worse than what I've written above. He's also pretty much sour that he hasn't been given enough credit.
  - adflux 5y ago
    So what degrees do you possess?
    - camillomiller 5y ago
      He is claiming to be what he is not. He is intellectually dishonest about his experience. This are things I can judge without being a medical professional. I've never said that possessing a degree or title is needed to discuss a topic. And it wouldn't be in the case of Dr. Malone, if he wasn't claiming to be what he is not.
      - adflux 5y ago
        >He is claiming to be what he is not Yes, you are indeed. Here online talking about subjects you probably don't know so much about as an MD or medical PHD of any kind or quality. Even you talking about the subject is totally fine to me. But here you are telling OTHER qualified people not to do the same? The level of hypocrisy is mind boggling.