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I don't see what is the problem compromising on those issues, it is not all or nothing issues, there is a whole range of possible compromises on most of the iss

I don't see what is the problem compromising on those issues, it is not all or nothing issues, there is a whole range of possible compromises on most of the issues you have mentioned. For example abortions, you can compromise on the maximum month in which abortion is legal. Climate change, many conservatives will agree to stop subsidising coal power stations because it bode well with the free market views. Covid, you can come to some middle ground on whether to force vaccinations or just encourage it, what type of limitations and many other parameters which were discussed and indeed moved along the scale during the pandemic. Whether the Chinese did it intentionally? it is just an opinion, not really changing anything. Most people are not that extreme and are willing to find some common grounds, and normal people usually have friends and family they like with a whole range of opinions about anything and everything. I don't understand why the bleak outlook, maybe you live in a very non diverse area and see everything as us vs them but that's not the reality for most people.

wonnage 5y ago
Look at where we’re at today. We’ve “compromised” on every issue you listed; abortion is illegal in several states, the coal industry is slowly declining, vaccinations are encouraged but not required. Theoretically this is state #2 and everyone is happy… yeah no. You can’t “compromise” on abortion if you think it’s murder. Nor on climate change if your city will disappear under the waves in 30 years. Nor on Covid policy if you think mask policies and vaccination requirements are tools of a police state.
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- JohnTHaller 5y ago
  > You can’t “compromise” on abortion if you think it’s murder. You can if you're practical and think of it as working towards a common goal of decreasing abortion. Something everyone is in favor of. And face the fact that outlawing abortion doesn't eliminate abortion. Similar to how outlawing murder doesn't eliminate murder. If you increase comprehensive sex education, decrease stigma around discussing sex, increase access to free and low cost birth control, decrease abstinence only rhetoric, increase child care options, increase free access to health care while pregnant, and increase access to free and low cost health care for delivery, you can drastically reduce the number of abortions. While we're at it, increase funding for adoption, both in placing your child and in adopting, and for foster care. Unfun facts: Childbirth in the US costs between $10,000 to $30,000. Over 30 million Americans have no health insurance. Many have poor health insurance (deductibles of $5,000 are common on the open market... mine last year was $7,000). My last friend who adopted wound up spending nearly $40,000 to complete the process.
  - wonnage 5y ago
    If "you're practical" then the battle is already won. We wouldn't have a cultural health issue if everyone involved was practical. The people yelling on either side are not practical and such compromises will not fix the problem.

wonnage 5y ago

Look at where we’re at today. We’ve “compromised” on every issue you listed; abortion is illegal in several states, the coal industry is slowly declining, vaccinations are encouraged but not required. Theoretically this is state #2 and everyone is happy… yeah no. You can’t “compromise” on abortion if you think it’s murder. Nor on climate change if your city will disappear under the waves in 30 years. Nor on Covid policy if you think mask policies and vaccination requirements are tools of a police state.

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JohnTHaller 5y ago
> You can’t “compromise” on abortion if you think it’s murder. You can if you're practical and think of it as working towards a common goal of decreasing abortion. Something everyone is in favor of. And face the fact that outlawing abortion doesn't eliminate abortion. Similar to how outlawing murder doesn't eliminate murder. If you increase comprehensive sex education, decrease stigma around discussing sex, increase access to free and low cost birth control, decrease abstinence only rhetoric, increase child care options, increase free access to health care while pregnant, and increase access to free and low cost health care for delivery, you can drastically reduce the number of abortions. While we're at it, increase funding for adoption, both in placing your child and in adopting, and for foster care. Unfun facts: Childbirth in the US costs between $10,000 to $30,000. Over 30 million Americans have no health insurance. Many have poor health insurance (deductibles of $5,000 are common on the open market... mine last year was $7,000). My last friend who adopted wound up spending nearly $40,000 to complete the process.
- wonnage 5y ago
  If "you're practical" then the battle is already won. We wouldn't have a cultural health issue if everyone involved was practical. The people yelling on either side are not practical and such compromises will not fix the problem.