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> People also need to accept the virus as part of their lifes and stop throwing a fit, because someone else is unvaccinated, because it is obvious (and not misi

> People also need to accept the virus as part of their lifes and stop throwing a fit, because someone else is unvaccinated, because it is obvious (and not misinformation) that the vaccines do not prevent that almost everyone will be exposed to the virus. I'm glad my parents' and grandparents' generations didn't share this attitude, for the obvious reasons of smallpox, polio, and MMR being practically nonexistent in my time, and with comparatively little fuss about mass societal uptake. [n.b. I am aware of the various efficacy rates of the vaccinations above, I'm just bookending this reasonable conversation we're having]

ls15 5y ago
> I'm glad my parents' and grandparents' generations didn't share this attitude That's not an attitude, but a conclusion that is based on what we know about the virus and the vaccines. Smallpox, polio and measles can practically be eradicated with vaccines, while SARS-CoV-2 cannot, at least not with the existing vaccines. It is also important to look at the fatality rates and other risk factors. Denmark has decided that SARS-CoV-2 is not a threat for the society anymore and lifted all mandates. Not because they don't value life, but because they value life.
- mpweiher 5y ago
  Denmark has a vaccination rate of 81% The US has a vaccination rate of 65% That doesn't seem so different. But of course it is the unvaccinated rate that counts. 9% in Denmark. 35% in the US. So almost 4x higher in the US. Denmark has had 667 deaths per million, the US has had 2711. So Denmark has a good case for dropping restrictions. (And of course people will reverse the causality on this and claim that "hey Denmark opened, and has much lower fatality rate...")
  - ls15 5y ago
    > (And of course people will reverse the causality on this and claim that "hey Denmark opened, and has much lower fatality rate...") Maybe because the causality is not so clear: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccinations-vs-covid-death-rate?country=ITA~USA~JPN~ISR~URY~GRC~DNK~ZAF~EGY~UKR~RUS~BRA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccinations-vs-cov...

ls15 5y ago

> I'm glad my parents' and grandparents' generations didn't share this attitude That's not an attitude, but a conclusion that is based on what we know about the virus and the vaccines. Smallpox, polio and measles can practically be eradicated with vaccines, while SARS-CoV-2 cannot, at least not with the existing vaccines. It is also important to look at the fatality rates and other risk factors. Denmark has decided that SARS-CoV-2 is not a threat for the society anymore and lifted all mandates. Not because they don't value life, but because they value life.

mpweiher 5y ago
Denmark has a vaccination rate of 81% The US has a vaccination rate of 65% That doesn't seem so different. But of course it is the unvaccinated rate that counts. 9% in Denmark. 35% in the US. So almost 4x higher in the US. Denmark has had 667 deaths per million, the US has had 2711. So Denmark has a good case for dropping restrictions. (And of course people will reverse the causality on this and claim that "hey Denmark opened, and has much lower fatality rate...")
- ls15 5y ago
  > (And of course people will reverse the causality on this and claim that "hey Denmark opened, and has much lower fatality rate...") Maybe because the causality is not so clear: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccinations-vs-covid-death-rate?country=ITA~USA~JPN~ISR~URY~GRC~DNK~ZAF~EGY~UKR~RUS~BRA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccinations-vs-cov...