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Yeah totally totally. But then, its very funny to me that some of the people who complain the most about the censorship of "Right Wing" content by leftist big t

Yeah totally totally. But then, its very funny to me that some of the people who complain the most about the censorship of "Right Wing" content by leftist big tech, are also, violently, over-my-dead-body, opposed to many kinds of community/government/centrally-owned collectivist platforms that wouldn't be under the influence of advertising. The Libertarian platforms that we have are the way they are precisely because they're market-based. The podium requires a public square and the public square is currently privately owned.

vorpalhex 5y ago
The government has a pretty bad history of free speech. My preference would be many small communities that have different support models. Let some communities be ad driven, others pay to subscribe, others yet donation based. These all have pros and cons. The mistake is thinking there is a single solution.
- rossdavidh 5y ago
  I think the issue is that the "network effect" makes them intrinsically prone to becoming oligopolies. We know how to have a free market without getting oligopolies; you need to break up anything that gets too powerful. What we lack is the political will to do it.
- tomlockwood 5y ago
  Not sure that's true. Isn't it the first amendment? Private corporations have radically more control over what its members say and repeat, than the government does. Might be that other governments are different, depending.
  - vorpalhex 5y ago
    The government has been on the losing side of a lot of free speech cases. Just because the first amendment exists doesn't mean the government respects it. Also the government is not a singular entity but many small ones. See Cohen v California for a good example of this.
    - tomlockwood 5y ago
      Yeah but what's the comparative case that respects free speech more than the government?
      - vorpalhex 5y ago
        Small communities where you can shop for a community that aligns with your desire to speak freely, and where non-free communities have alternatives.
        tomlockwood 5y ago
        I don't feel like this response really answers the question. You're saying some of these small communities don't align with a desire to speak freely. I feel like the same can be said, of some government. I'm not seeing why this is better.
        vorpalhex 5y ago
        Shopping governments is not a thing. Shopping your online community is. Speaking freely shouldn't involve changing your life, address, citizenship, passport, taxes, healthcare...
        tomlockwood 5y ago
        If you're a federalist, shopping governments supposedly, is possible.
- SllX 5y ago
  So, in order of what you listed: Social media, Country clubs and Congress. We have basically every social platform we could ever want and we even invent more all the time, just not one that is literally central to everyone’s lives, and I’m going to go out on a limb and say we probably don’t want that particular one.

vorpalhex 5y ago

The government has a pretty bad history of free speech. My preference would be many small communities that have different support models. Let some communities be ad driven, others pay to subscribe, others yet donation based. These all have pros and cons. The mistake is thinking there is a single solution.

rossdavidh 5y ago
I think the issue is that the "network effect" makes them intrinsically prone to becoming oligopolies. We know how to have a free market without getting oligopolies; you need to break up anything that gets too powerful. What we lack is the political will to do it.
tomlockwood 5y ago
Not sure that's true. Isn't it the first amendment? Private corporations have radically more control over what its members say and repeat, than the government does. Might be that other governments are different, depending.
- vorpalhex 5y ago
  The government has been on the losing side of a lot of free speech cases. Just because the first amendment exists doesn't mean the government respects it. Also the government is not a singular entity but many small ones. See Cohen v California for a good example of this.
  - tomlockwood 5y ago
    Yeah but what's the comparative case that respects free speech more than the government?
    - vorpalhex 5y ago
      Small communities where you can shop for a community that aligns with your desire to speak freely, and where non-free communities have alternatives.
      - tomlockwood 5y ago
        I don't feel like this response really answers the question. You're saying some of these small communities don't align with a desire to speak freely. I feel like the same can be said, of some government. I'm not seeing why this is better.
        vorpalhex 5y ago
        Shopping governments is not a thing. Shopping your online community is. Speaking freely shouldn't involve changing your life, address, citizenship, passport, taxes, healthcare...
        tomlockwood 5y ago
        If you're a federalist, shopping governments supposedly, is possible.
SllX 5y ago
So, in order of what you listed: Social media, Country clubs and Congress. We have basically every social platform we could ever want and we even invent more all the time, just not one that is literally central to everyone’s lives, and I’m going to go out on a limb and say we probably don’t want that particular one.