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I think it's the Nazi flags. Symbols of treason and rebellion, expressions of violent intent towards fellow citizens. It stopped being fellow citizens with disa

by _8j50 5y ago

I think it's the Nazi flags. Symbols of treason and rebellion, expressions of violent intent towards fellow citizens. It stopped being fellow citizens with disagreeable and even laughable views expressing their right to freely assemble and express themselves then and there. Personally, for the vast majority (hoping) that only care about the vaccine mandate I don't care one bit. But for the nazi and confederate flag waving people, my frustration is against the law much more than the people, why is it unlawful to grant them their wish and meet them with violence if the government is unwilling to arrest and punish them for it. Nazism is not protected speech, it is worse than the classic example of "shouting fire in a crowd" it is promoting and seeding hatred and violence in hopes of genocide! The only acceptable Nazi is a dead Nazi. 50 million people didn't die so we can forget.

version_five 5y ago
Just in case anyone's reading this, there are no nazi's in the protest. There may have been some design essentially equating vaccine mandates with nazi-ism, and that got jumped on as "look, they're nazis!!!!!" Even if a few undesirables do show up to the protest, it's squarely about mandates, despite what the people complaining might want you to believe. At least imagine that it's possible to simply have had enough of the covid restrictions, without having some additional "extremist" agenda. Also, it's a pretty serious accusation to call someone a Nazi...
- taway2022 5y ago
  You realize Pat King and Chris Sky are not insignificantly involved in organizing the protest (both officially and unofficially)? And have a rather large support base among the participants? I can't speak for Pat King, but Chris Sky has quoted and agreed with Hitler in the past .. so yes, I would say there are Nazis in the protest.
- _8j50 5y ago
  I am talking about the people waving actual Nazi and confederate flags. No one else. My comment if you read carefully points out that I have no problem with the majority of protesters but the fact that Nazis joined freely without resistance makes me angry against the authorities.
  - version_five 5y ago
    > makes me angry against the authorities Maybe you should protest
    - _8j50 5y ago
      Only if violence against nazis is legalized. I don't believe in annoying people to make a change, what has been given can be taken away. But what you take after convincing others or by force, you can keep so long as reason or strength is on your side. I will write nicely worded letters to legislators if it comes to it.
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CountSessine 5y ago
I think it's the Nazi flags. Symbols of treason and rebellion, expressions of violent intent towards fellow citizens. It stopped being fellow citizens with disagreeable and even laughable views expressing their right to freely assemble and express themselves then and there. Oh goodness. I don't support the protests or their aims, but remember that there were a hell of a lot of protesters in CHOP and BLM in general carrying and displaying Marxist and Soviet iconongraphy. Making the whole BLM movement answer for the 80 million dead Chinese peasants and Kulaks would be pretty stupid. Do you really expect BLM to be policing their ranks like that? If you cut them a break for a few ignorant fools in their protests, why is this any different? Don't be crazy. This whole situation is bad enough what with the break-down in law and order without hysterically shouting about Nazism.
- foogazi 5y ago
  > Oh goodness. > … BLM … Ah yes, the whatabout
- _8j50 5y ago
  I don't care about BLM and they were tear gassed, beatup, even reporters got dismembered! This response is a whataboutism. Soviets were allies of the US against Nazis, they didn't kill millions of americans nor did they wish genocide on anyone. They do not stand as a symbol if rebellion against legitimate government either. Neither does BLM but that's the thing with whataboutist reponse, you are trying to get me to defend a 3rd party that isn't relevant to the conversation at hand. If a BLM protester waves a Nazi flag or whatever the opposite is that wishes death to some group of people, treat them the same and punish them or legalize violent response against them. Why do I have to stand silent and watch while others plot and promote genocide?
  - furgooswft13 5y ago
    > Soviets were allies of the US against Nazis, they didn't kill millions of americans nor did they wish genocide on anyone. They do not stand as a symbol if rebellion against legitimate government either. Are we talking about the people who fought a revolutionary war against the monarchy of the Russian Empire, eventually murdering the Tsar's family, wife and kids included? Then proceeded to stoke violent class warfare and political purges throughout Soviet territory, including the Holodomor in Ukraine. All the while funding communist revolt in other countries across the Far East and Europe. Those guys right? Genocide aside, the Nazi takeover of Wiemar Germany was almost completely on the level comparatively. But both regimes racked up massive body counts, and both did so with intention.
kunagi7 5y ago
Big demonstrations attract all the... Let's call them "different thinking people" around them. Even if demonstrations were done in closed spaces with proper access control some of them would enter anyway. Communists, Nazis, Confederates, "professional" looters, anarchists, weird conspiracies like the birds are drones, the earth/Finland/New Zealand don't exist, the list could go on for hours... Grab a photo at the correct time and bang, you have successfully "destroyed" or defaced a movement.

by _8j50 5y ago

version_five 5y ago

Just in case anyone's reading this, there are no nazi's in the protest. There may have been some design essentially equating vaccine mandates with nazi-ism, and that got jumped on as "look, they're nazis!!!!!" Even if a few undesirables do show up to the protest, it's squarely about mandates, despite what the people complaining might want you to believe. At least imagine that it's possible to simply have had enough of the covid restrictions, without having some additional "extremist" agenda. Also, it's a pretty serious accusation to call someone a Nazi...

taway2022 5y ago
You realize Pat King and Chris Sky are not insignificantly involved in organizing the protest (both officially and unofficially)? And have a rather large support base among the participants? I can't speak for Pat King, but Chris Sky has quoted and agreed with Hitler in the past .. so yes, I would say there are Nazis in the protest.
_8j50 5y ago
I am talking about the people waving actual Nazi and confederate flags. No one else. My comment if you read carefully points out that I have no problem with the majority of protesters but the fact that Nazis joined freely without resistance makes me angry against the authorities.
- version_five 5y ago
  > makes me angry against the authorities Maybe you should protest
  - _8j50 5y ago
    Only if violence against nazis is legalized. I don't believe in annoying people to make a change, what has been given can be taken away. But what you take after convincing others or by force, you can keep so long as reason or strength is on your side. I will write nicely worded letters to legislators if it comes to it.
    - salawat 5y ago
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CountSessine 5y ago

I think it's the Nazi flags. Symbols of treason and rebellion, expressions of violent intent towards fellow citizens. It stopped being fellow citizens with disagreeable and even laughable views expressing their right to freely assemble and express themselves then and there. Oh goodness. I don't support the protests or their aims, but remember that there were a hell of a lot of protesters in CHOP and BLM in general carrying and displaying Marxist and Soviet iconongraphy. Making the whole BLM movement answer for the 80 million dead Chinese peasants and Kulaks would be pretty stupid. Do you really expect BLM to be policing their ranks like that? If you cut them a break for a few ignorant fools in their protests, why is this any different? Don't be crazy. This whole situation is bad enough what with the break-down in law and order without hysterically shouting about Nazism.

foogazi 5y ago
> Oh goodness. > … BLM … Ah yes, the whatabout
_8j50 5y ago
I don't care about BLM and they were tear gassed, beatup, even reporters got dismembered! This response is a whataboutism. Soviets were allies of the US against Nazis, they didn't kill millions of americans nor did they wish genocide on anyone. They do not stand as a symbol if rebellion against legitimate government either. Neither does BLM but that's the thing with whataboutist reponse, you are trying to get me to defend a 3rd party that isn't relevant to the conversation at hand. If a BLM protester waves a Nazi flag or whatever the opposite is that wishes death to some group of people, treat them the same and punish them or legalize violent response against them. Why do I have to stand silent and watch while others plot and promote genocide?
- furgooswft13 5y ago
  > Soviets were allies of the US against Nazis, they didn't kill millions of americans nor did they wish genocide on anyone. They do not stand as a symbol if rebellion against legitimate government either. Are we talking about the people who fought a revolutionary war against the monarchy of the Russian Empire, eventually murdering the Tsar's family, wife and kids included? Then proceeded to stoke violent class warfare and political purges throughout Soviet territory, including the Holodomor in Ukraine. All the while funding communist revolt in other countries across the Far East and Europe. Those guys right? Genocide aside, the Nazi takeover of Wiemar Germany was almost completely on the level comparatively. But both regimes racked up massive body counts, and both did so with intention.

kunagi7 5y ago

Big demonstrations attract all the... Let's call them "different thinking people" around them. Even if demonstrations were done in closed spaces with proper access control some of them would enter anyway. Communists, Nazis, Confederates, "professional" looters, anarchists, weird conspiracies like the birds are drones, the earth/Finland/New Zealand don't exist, the list could go on for hours... Grab a photo at the correct time and bang, you have successfully "destroyed" or defaced a movement.