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Zoom, Chrome. Zoom is a resource hog and has a terrible UX, but I struggle to find anything better that works well on all OSes. Chrome breaks privacy in many w

Zoom, Chrome. Zoom is a resource hog and has a terrible UX, but I struggle to find anything better that works well on all OSes. Chrome breaks privacy in many ways, but I can't find a decent alternative, similarly secure, blink based and with Chrome extensions support that doesn't have similar problems (Brave, Vivaldi).

oalae5niMiel7qu 5y ago
If it breaks privacy then it is NOT secure.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 5y ago
  Privacy means my data is private. I don't know if security implies privacy, in my mind I'm referring specifically to protection from direct threats to my device that aim to access resources that my browser doesn't expose (filesystem, elevated privileges and that kind of things). That being said, my statement still stands. In that case, I can just summarize it as "I can't find a browser as secure as Chrome" (implying that yes, Brave and Vivaldi do the same, they are just less open about that)
  - oalae5niMiel7qu 5y ago
    If people can access resources you don't think your browser exposes, then in fact your browser does expose those things. You just didn't realize it. Security does imply privacy, because one of the most important things in warfare is keeping information away from your adversary. If your browser is freely giving away information without a care in the world about who gets that information, then of course that information will end up in the hands of your enemies, and from there it can be used to do something you'd more readily recognize as a "security breach."
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 5y ago
    That is working around my intended meaning, it is not trying to build on top of it. The browser doesn't expose and allow writing to my filesystem indiscriminately, an exploit will allow that, but it's definitely not intended and that's what I'm referring to.
josephcsible 5y ago
Why is "blink based" something you're looking for? Isn't the Blink monoculture a bad thing?
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 5y ago
  No, an open source browser engine from my perspective it's not bad, especially if it has multiple contributors. I see that as an opportunity. It's possible to fork and be up-to-date with it and it would still be less work than writing a different engine. What's bad in Chrome is not necessary bad in Blink. Blink happens to work well and be very wide-spread, and also being open source. Usually I look for these 3 things together when choosing open source software.

oalae5niMiel7qu 5y ago

If it breaks privacy then it is NOT secure.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 5y ago
Privacy means my data is private. I don't know if security implies privacy, in my mind I'm referring specifically to protection from direct threats to my device that aim to access resources that my browser doesn't expose (filesystem, elevated privileges and that kind of things). That being said, my statement still stands. In that case, I can just summarize it as "I can't find a browser as secure as Chrome" (implying that yes, Brave and Vivaldi do the same, they are just less open about that)
- oalae5niMiel7qu 5y ago
  If people can access resources you don't think your browser exposes, then in fact your browser does expose those things. You just didn't realize it. Security does imply privacy, because one of the most important things in warfare is keeping information away from your adversary. If your browser is freely giving away information without a care in the world about who gets that information, then of course that information will end up in the hands of your enemies, and from there it can be used to do something you'd more readily recognize as a "security breach."
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 5y ago
  That is working around my intended meaning, it is not trying to build on top of it. The browser doesn't expose and allow writing to my filesystem indiscriminately, an exploit will allow that, but it's definitely not intended and that's what I'm referring to.

josephcsible 5y ago

Why is "blink based" something you're looking for? Isn't the Blink monoculture a bad thing?

Fire-Dragon-DoL 5y ago
No, an open source browser engine from my perspective it's not bad, especially if it has multiple contributors. I see that as an opportunity. It's possible to fork and be up-to-date with it and it would still be less work than writing a different engine. What's bad in Chrome is not necessary bad in Blink. Blink happens to work well and be very wide-spread, and also being open source. Usually I look for these 3 things together when choosing open source software.