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What do these people (like the twitter poster) think a protest is? It's supposed to be something people can't ignore. The few that are loudly complaining about

What do these people (like the twitter poster) think a protest is? It's supposed to be something people can't ignore. The few that are loudly complaining about the protest appear to believe we should never speak up no matter how badly the government and our fellow citizens treat us. And instead of actually engaging with the subject of the protest - intrusive mandates and documentation requests - they would rather either complain about petty things like honking, or somehow imagine the government has lost control of the country because some truckers parked downtown for a few days. In any case, I think the freaking out by a select few we've seen over this is so ridiculous that it hopefully supports the trucker's case in the minds of normal people here

calyth2018 5y ago
You know they're blasting air horns in residential streets, right? Air horns that are 100-120db range, typically found on semis, not counting aftermarket soupped up ones. https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/health-safety/reports/ears.html https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/servi... At 100db, 24 minutes of exposure within 24 hours is considered damaging to hearing. At 120dB, it's basically instantaneous damage to hearing. And lot of them have been doing that to harass residents. If I walk down the street, jab something in someone's ear and damage their hearing, I'd be rightfully charge with assault (probably with a weapon). How is this any different? This city is well versed in protest, even protests that could shutdown Wellington st, right in front of the hill. It's naive, at the very minimum, to even let these vehicles park right up the hill and blare their horns day and night. If you think this is just a minor inconvenience, come to downtown and stand next to one of these trucks when the air horn goes off.
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- mostertoaster 5y ago
  Standing next to one of those trucks during the protest, is like standing in a building alone in the midst of George Floyd protests, except you get engulfed in flames instead of your ear drums ruined. And getting your ear drums ruined is no happy thing. Which is why it is crazy silencers are illegal. :)
- josephcsible 5y ago
  The loudness of everything falls off with distance. How far away is the 100-120dB measured from, and how far away are these ones from the residents?
ENOTTY 5y ago
Does the government not have a responsibility to protect fair use of the commons by all people? If you agree that the government has that responsibility, then the government needs to maintain its rule over the commons, which has clearly been lost in downtown Ottawa. Also, the demonstrators have been there for over a week, lacking a permit for their demonstration, often honking all night long and keeping awake the people who live nearby. There have been numerous reports of assaults by demonstrators because the victims had the audacity to wear a mask while walking in the vicinity of the demonstration.
_8j50 5y ago
I think it's the Nazi flags. Symbols of treason and rebellion, expressions of violent intent towards fellow citizens. It stopped being fellow citizens with disagreeable and even laughable views expressing their right to freely assemble and express themselves then and there. Personally, for the vast majority (hoping) that only care about the vaccine mandate I don't care one bit. But for the nazi and confederate flag waving people, my frustration is against the law much more than the people, why is it unlawful to grant them their wish and meet them with violence if the government is unwilling to arrest and punish them for it. Nazism is not protected speech, it is worse than the classic example of "shouting fire in a crowd" it is promoting and seeding hatred and violence in hopes of genocide! The only acceptable Nazi is a dead Nazi. 50 million people didn't die so we can forget.
- version_five 5y ago
  Just in case anyone's reading this, there are no nazi's in the protest. There may have been some design essentially equating vaccine mandates with nazi-ism, and that got jumped on as "look, they're nazis!!!!!" Even if a few undesirables do show up to the protest, it's squarely about mandates, despite what the people complaining might want you to believe. At least imagine that it's possible to simply have had enough of the covid restrictions, without having some additional "extremist" agenda. Also, it's a pretty serious accusation to call someone a Nazi...
  - taway2022 5y ago
    You realize Pat King and Chris Sky are not insignificantly involved in organizing the protest (both officially and unofficially)? And have a rather large support base among the participants? I can't speak for Pat King, but Chris Sky has quoted and agreed with Hitler in the past .. so yes, I would say there are Nazis in the protest.
  - _8j50 5y ago
    I am talking about the people waving actual Nazi and confederate flags. No one else. My comment if you read carefully points out that I have no problem with the majority of protesters but the fact that Nazis joined freely without resistance makes me angry against the authorities.
kunagi7 5y ago
Seems like most people aren't used to huge protests like we used to have in western countries. Real protests (for things like worker's rights, preventing wrongful laws from passing) were quite common 20 years ago at least in Western Europe. I guess after only one generation makes people forget about them. Things like demonstrations at every big city, roads closed with barricades, public transport frequency reductions, even shops, offices and factories halting for a day or two. Ottawa is well under control (for now). The Ottawa or Canadian governments can evacuate the city whenever they want. They have three ways, negotiation, accepting what the movement wants or repression (which would hit Canada's reputation quite badly).
bryanlarsen 5y ago
> because some truckers parked downtown for a few days Truck horns have been blaring 24/7 for 9 days in a residential area.
- emerged 5y ago
  Sounds like a good way to get attention for people who have been ignored for too long. Hard to ignore this.
- version_five 5y ago
  I have to show my "vaccine passport" to go to the hardware store (in a mask), literally. People are being fired over their refusal to share medical information. All off this is far more existentially bad than "honking". Yet for some reason, that's what people focus on.
  - ls15 5y ago
    > Yet for some reason, that's what people focus on. The people or the media?
  - majewsky 5y ago
    Depriving people of sleep through loud noises is quite literally a torture method.
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  - bryanlarsen 5y ago
    1. You've obviously never experienced such noise pollution. 2. Even worse than both are dozens of mostly preventable deaths per day in Ontario alone.

calyth2018 5y ago

You know they're blasting air horns in residential streets, right? Air horns that are 100-120db range, typically found on semis, not counting aftermarket soupped up ones. https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/health-safety/reports/ears.html https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/servi... At 100db, 24 minutes of exposure within 24 hours is considered damaging to hearing. At 120dB, it's basically instantaneous damage to hearing. And lot of them have been doing that to harass residents. If I walk down the street, jab something in someone's ear and damage their hearing, I'd be rightfully charge with assault (probably with a weapon). How is this any different? This city is well versed in protest, even protests that could shutdown Wellington st, right in front of the hill. It's naive, at the very minimum, to even let these vehicles park right up the hill and blare their horns day and night. If you think this is just a minor inconvenience, come to downtown and stand next to one of these trucks when the air horn goes off.

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mostertoaster 5y ago
Standing next to one of those trucks during the protest, is like standing in a building alone in the midst of George Floyd protests, except you get engulfed in flames instead of your ear drums ruined. And getting your ear drums ruined is no happy thing. Which is why it is crazy silencers are illegal. :)
josephcsible 5y ago
The loudness of everything falls off with distance. How far away is the 100-120dB measured from, and how far away are these ones from the residents?

ENOTTY 5y ago

Does the government not have a responsibility to protect fair use of the commons by all people? If you agree that the government has that responsibility, then the government needs to maintain its rule over the commons, which has clearly been lost in downtown Ottawa. Also, the demonstrators have been there for over a week, lacking a permit for their demonstration, often honking all night long and keeping awake the people who live nearby. There have been numerous reports of assaults by demonstrators because the victims had the audacity to wear a mask while walking in the vicinity of the demonstration.

_8j50 5y ago

I think it's the Nazi flags. Symbols of treason and rebellion, expressions of violent intent towards fellow citizens. It stopped being fellow citizens with disagreeable and even laughable views expressing their right to freely assemble and express themselves then and there. Personally, for the vast majority (hoping) that only care about the vaccine mandate I don't care one bit. But for the nazi and confederate flag waving people, my frustration is against the law much more than the people, why is it unlawful to grant them their wish and meet them with violence if the government is unwilling to arrest and punish them for it. Nazism is not protected speech, it is worse than the classic example of "shouting fire in a crowd" it is promoting and seeding hatred and violence in hopes of genocide! The only acceptable Nazi is a dead Nazi. 50 million people didn't die so we can forget.

version_five 5y ago
Just in case anyone's reading this, there are no nazi's in the protest. There may have been some design essentially equating vaccine mandates with nazi-ism, and that got jumped on as "look, they're nazis!!!!!" Even if a few undesirables do show up to the protest, it's squarely about mandates, despite what the people complaining might want you to believe. At least imagine that it's possible to simply have had enough of the covid restrictions, without having some additional "extremist" agenda. Also, it's a pretty serious accusation to call someone a Nazi...
- taway2022 5y ago
  You realize Pat King and Chris Sky are not insignificantly involved in organizing the protest (both officially and unofficially)? And have a rather large support base among the participants? I can't speak for Pat King, but Chris Sky has quoted and agreed with Hitler in the past .. so yes, I would say there are Nazis in the protest.
- _8j50 5y ago
  I am talking about the people waving actual Nazi and confederate flags. No one else. My comment if you read carefully points out that I have no problem with the majority of protesters but the fact that Nazis joined freely without resistance makes me angry against the authorities.

kunagi7 5y ago

Seems like most people aren't used to huge protests like we used to have in western countries. Real protests (for things like worker's rights, preventing wrongful laws from passing) were quite common 20 years ago at least in Western Europe. I guess after only one generation makes people forget about them. Things like demonstrations at every big city, roads closed with barricades, public transport frequency reductions, even shops, offices and factories halting for a day or two. Ottawa is well under control (for now). The Ottawa or Canadian governments can evacuate the city whenever they want. They have three ways, negotiation, accepting what the movement wants or repression (which would hit Canada's reputation quite badly).

bryanlarsen 5y ago

> because some truckers parked downtown for a few days Truck horns have been blaring 24/7 for 9 days in a residential area.

emerged 5y ago
Sounds like a good way to get attention for people who have been ignored for too long. Hard to ignore this.
version_five 5y ago
I have to show my "vaccine passport" to go to the hardware store (in a mask), literally. People are being fired over their refusal to share medical information. All off this is far more existentially bad than "honking". Yet for some reason, that's what people focus on.
- ls15 5y ago
  > Yet for some reason, that's what people focus on. The people or the media?
- majewsky 5y ago
  Depriving people of sleep through loud noises is quite literally a torture method.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  1. You've obviously never experienced such noise pollution. 2. Even worse than both are dozens of mostly preventable deaths per day in Ontario alone.