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I'm not blurring anything. I'm stating that some of the violence associated with BLM is coming from people actively trying to discredit the movement. My gut te

I'm not blurring anything. I'm stating that some of the violence associated with BLM is coming from people actively trying to discredit the movement. My gut tells me that it's a significant amount. What I find more interesting is that people who make a point about the violence categorically seem to to ignore this aspect of the matter. Are you willing to consider that this is happening, and if so, that perhaps that should bother you more?

pydry 5y ago
No, I know some of it is police instigators but i dont think it's done to "discredit" the movement but to rile up and then entrap the peaceful protestors who can then be detained and prosecuted. It bothers me but I consider it a separate issue.
- pstuart 5y ago
  It's absolutely about discrediting it -- look at how effective it is, it worked on you. Your words indicate that as far as you're concerned, BLM == violence and destruction, period. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-accident-false-thug-narratives-have-long-been-used-discredit-n1240509 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-accident-false-thug...
  - pydry 5y ago
    >Your words indicate that as far as you're concerned, BLM == violence It's pretty amazing that on this thread I have more people responding as if I said something completely divergent to what I said than responding to what I actually said. It's a bit sad, kind of like being on cable news.
    - pstuart 5y ago
      If I misread, I apologize and welcome correction. You misread me too, so it happens to all of us. As far as the quoted text, perhaps I'm painting with a wide brush but I see a pattern here of framing BLM solely in terms of violence associated with it. Being that much of this is manufactured by interlopers I would hope that you would recognize how concerning that is.
    - pstuart 5y ago
      Ah, went back to your parent comment and I apologize for my missing your original comment. In my defense, my point still stands and it's a knee-jerk response to many here who equate BLM with violence, period. The detractors have done an excellent job in smearing the movement. As to property damage, I recognize that there are understandable situations where that can occur but the real value is in the possibility of shit getting out of control vs mayhem on tap. Public protest is an important civic action and those that work to undermine it should not be tolerated.

pydry 5y ago

No, I know some of it is police instigators but i dont think it's done to "discredit" the movement but to rile up and then entrap the peaceful protestors who can then be detained and prosecuted. It bothers me but I consider it a separate issue.

pstuart 5y ago
It's absolutely about discrediting it -- look at how effective it is, it worked on you. Your words indicate that as far as you're concerned, BLM == violence and destruction, period. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-accident-false-thug-narratives-have-long-been-used-discredit-n1240509 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-accident-false-thug...
- pydry 5y ago
  >Your words indicate that as far as you're concerned, BLM == violence It's pretty amazing that on this thread I have more people responding as if I said something completely divergent to what I said than responding to what I actually said. It's a bit sad, kind of like being on cable news.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    If I misread, I apologize and welcome correction. You misread me too, so it happens to all of us. As far as the quoted text, perhaps I'm painting with a wide brush but I see a pattern here of framing BLM solely in terms of violence associated with it. Being that much of this is manufactured by interlopers I would hope that you would recognize how concerning that is.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    Ah, went back to your parent comment and I apologize for my missing your original comment. In my defense, my point still stands and it's a knee-jerk response to many here who equate BLM with violence, period. The detractors have done an excellent job in smearing the movement. As to property damage, I recognize that there are understandable situations where that can occur but the real value is in the possibility of shit getting out of control vs mayhem on tap. Public protest is an important civic action and those that work to undermine it should not be tolerated.