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I'm sorry to hear about your experiences and it sounds like you learned a lot from firsthand knowledge. But, respectfully asking, what does inflammatory foods o
by jwuphysics 5y ago
I'm sorry to hear about your experiences and it sounds like you learned a lot from firsthand knowledge. But, respectfully asking, what does inflammatory foods or poor eating habits have to do with GMO foods?
- sdze 5y agoAlso why would GMO be bad? The criticism comes mostly from people that also believe in osteopathic / homeopathic medicine in my social circle. I find it a terrific chance for humanity to engineer plants in such a way that they are more robust against disease and bad weather (with CRISPR/CAS and such methods).
- zargon 5y agoIn theory, there are lots of fine things we could do with GMOs. In practice, basically the only common use of GMOs is to allow indiscriminate use of pesticides and herbicides. This is purely about profit for chemical companies, without regard for environmental impact. I don't care to eat more pesticides and herbicides, either.
- wtetzner 5y agoI don’t think GMO is necessarily bad, but while companies are working on ways to make plants more robust, I doubt they’re taking the long term effects on human health into account.
- rogers18445 5y agoCurrently there doesn't appear to be any evidence that GMO is bad for your health and most GMO is just transplanting genes from other edible organisms. Hopefully regulators aren't going to allow insertion of engineered genes producing novel molecules without going through actual medical grade trials for those molecules. Or it may torpedo the entire industry.
- b112 5y agoCurrently there doesn't appear to be any evidence... And if we're wrong, how do you remove GMO organisms afterwards?
- partomniscient 5y agoAbscense of proof is not proof of abscense. Determining cause and effect in the interaction of complicated systems is no easy task.
- netizen-936824 5y agoIn every case of GMO food I have encountered, the compounds are not novel. Rather, they're an adaptation or resistance found in one species and transferred to another.
- rjsw 5y agoAs someone else with immune system reactions to food, it doesn't seem a great idea to modify food even more than we have done already.
- freshpots 5y agoThat's not a good argument at all. What 'modification' do you think is a risk and how would it cause the concerns your worried about?
- rjsw 5y agoI must have missed the announcement that we had worked out exactly what causes food allergies and intolerance and have promised not to do anything that could trigger them when doing GM.
- wtetzner 5y agoOne of the modifications some GMO plants have is to produce more/more effective lectins to make them more resilient against insects. Given research on lectins shows many of them are harmful to human health, it seems like a valid concern.
- ipaddr 5y agoTo put the question back what benefit does it provide aside from cost?
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- ericbarrett 5y agoHere is my criticism of GMO foods; or at least, the reason I'm wary of them. I don't believe in any "woo" at all. Why would the massive corporations that have driven the food in our supermarkets ever cheaper, ever thinner in nutrients, ever higher in fat and sweeteners and fillers, ever more laden with pesticides and antibiotics, ever more processed—why would they use a technology like GMO crops for good? Why wouldn't they just splice pesticide and sugar genes into them directly and juice the yield even harder so that the soil is stripped and ruined even faster? I think they will be used to boost profits, not make our food more nutritious, or even cheaper in any way except per calorie. I understand there are potentially benefits, e.g. growing crops resistant to pests so that spray pesticides can be reduced. I just have no faith whatsoever that these kinds of considered actions will be taken, based on the last 100 years of technology. It's just going to be wheat and corn, wheat and corn, wheat and corn until caloric yields approach insolation and the soil is as gray and lifeless as the moon.
- tomjakubowski 5y agoThe risks from unknown unknowns are even worse with genetic engineering in crops, due to the inevitability of hypothetical "harmful to humans genes" propagating from one population to others by pollination. The Precautionary Principle (with Application to the Genetic Modification of Organisms) https://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/pp2.pdf https://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/pp2.pdf
- jay_kyburz 5y agoI'm not into osteopathy or homeopathy but my concerned about GMO are because I don't trust that the scientist really know what they are doing, or can fully understand the impact any changes they might make, not only on humans, but on the environment at large. Nor do I trust our government to be able to police and regulate the industry. Nor do I trust big farma to put health before profits.
- sdze 5y agoI think humans always genetically "engineered" plants by selection process. Our current cultivated plants are the result of thousands of years of breeding. Who knows what accidental genetic damage from breeding will cause problems in humans?
- broptimist 5y agoHarmful crop breeds would have been selected against over the course of many generations, right? Now we're doing it on a larger scale, so the risks and rewards are greater. What is our knowledge of the risks and rewards? Are the rewards aligned with general human wellbeing, or just a profit motive? I don't know.
- Dma54rhs 5y agoAnti - GMO crowd is definetly very similar to anti vaxxers and other science deniers spreading dangerous propaganda while eating oranges and bananas.
- imwillofficial 5y ago“science deniers” Like, say, Galileo?
- sdze 5y agoDon't forget the 5G radiation...
- rdtwo 5y agoIf you remove 5g it’s actually a common technique to bombard seeds with radiation and look for useful mutations
- mandmandam 5y agoI bet you two are the type who smugly told everyone off for believing the "completely disproven" lab leak theory for a year, before never mentioning it again.
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- hutzlibu 5y agoAre you implying oranges and bananas were made with modern GMO methods? I agree that the anti gmo/vaxx etc. crowd is quite irrational in many regards, but I can see a difference between traditional breeding plants - and directly editing DNA.
- Dma54rhs 5y agoI don't but we've been doing generical modification by trying to put two random things plants together since dawn of times.
- zackmorris 5y agoTwo main things: 1. Genetically modified (GMO) foods can cause non-food compounds to get synthesized in the food that our bodies have never seen before, which can trigger autoimmune issues. I consider this the lower risk. 2. GMO foods are designed specifically to allow more use of pesticides and herbicides. These get incorporated into the food and can stay around after washing, especially in processed food. Pesticides are low-level neurotoxin and disrupt gut nerves, while herbicides disrupt gut flora. Loosely, what happens is that the body is sensitive to most plant husks, since they are designed to keep bugs out that feed on them. GMO copies that defense mechanism, often amplifying it hugely, resulting in amplified food sensitivities. I consider this the higher risk, so high in fact that the consequences of it can be life-altering. Edit: These effects combined turn ordinary food into inflammatory food
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- PeterisP 5y agoMy impression is quite the opposite - GMO insect-resistant plants enable using much less pesticides (the savings from reduced frequency and quantity of pesticides being the economic reason for choosing such crops) than non-modified equivalents.
- wfme 5y agoThis article [0] points towards the reality being somewhere in the middle - more herbicides but less insecticides. > GMOs have been changing the way that pesticides are used in agriculture. Herbicide-tolerant genetically modified (GM) crops have led to an increase in herbicide usage while insecticide-producing GM crops have led to a decrease in insecticides. [0] https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/gmos-and-pesticides/ https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/gmos-and-pesticides/
- swsieber 5y ago> insecticide-producing GM A decrease in usage, yes. But is it a decrease in what ends upon the plant is what I'd be curious about.
- manmal 5y agoNot OP. In many cases, the genetic modifications are either performed to either let the plant produce (more) lectins that kill insects, or make the plant immune to certain herbicides like glyphosate. The human gut and microbiome might be able to deal with lectins they have evolved to deal with, and in “normal” quantities. But those additional GMO lectins are suspected to be hard on the intestinal barrier. If that barrier is compromised, autoimmunity might be the result, as OP indicated.
- _9omd 5y agoThis is exactly the problem. The idea of GMOs is fine, but if it's increasing the load of gut damaging chemicals in the food supply that is not good. And the truth is we simply don't know, so it's crazy to just assume that these GMO foods are gut safe. These days it seems everyone I know has some kind of gut issue (myself included), so I think we should be cautious with GMOs.