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Just another data point, but my journey through digestive issues and recovery was kicked off by the worst depression and burnout I ever experienced, which start
by zackmorris 5y ago
Just another data point, but my journey through digestive issues and recovery was kicked off by the worst depression and burnout I ever experienced, which started in 2019 and lasted 3 years.
My best guess for what happened is that work stress, excessive celebration and coping with the cognitive dissonance of the pre-COVID era and subsequent pandemic, combined with overtraining and the misuse of protein shakes in place of food, left me in a chronically dehydrated state. The body tries to collect moisture from the gut, which opens an opportunity for bacteria to get into the body cavity and blood, which is colloquially called leaky gut. This sets off food sensitivities and eventually an autoimmune condition/response to lectins, gluten, etc, which have proteins similar to linings in the body, joints and thyroid. Then a cascade happens where everything goes out of whack quickly. In my case, I went from being in the best shape of my life, the strongest I had ever been in the gym, to barely able to get out of bed in the morning. In other people, it might present as chronic fatigue, arthritis, etc.
I didn't really believe any of this in 2018, and my meal plan then consisted entirely of everything that I can't eat today. So I consider what people say politely, but for the most part, they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. This experience has made stuff like GMO foods sound absolutely insane to me. Like, why would we ever taint our food supply to make food 5 cents cheaper or "feed the world" when we've been operating under artificial scarcity since the end of the second world war? It's all a crock.
Every time you eat inflammatory food, the risk is similar to smoking a cigarette. Probably nothing will happen, but if it sets off your immune system, you may wake up one morning chronically depressed and/or unable to eat something that you rely upon. It got me after I turned 40, YMMV.
- rkhassen9 5y agoZachMorris, the Same thing happened to me. Almost identical. Except have not really been cured. Agree 100% with what you wrote. What was your protocol to heal? I need some pointers as nothing has really helped. Thanks in advance.
- MrBuddyCasino 5y agoFeel free to join: https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817562116 https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817...
- imwillofficial 5y agoI’m in a similar boat, how did you recover, if you did?
- MrBuddyCasino 5y agoMaybe a discord channel helps for communication (not sure if there is something better?): https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817562116 https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817...
- frontman1988 5y agoGiven the ubiquitous nature of artificial sweeteners and preservatives, you are probably still eating mouthfuls of inflammatory food everyday.
- acconrad 5y agoYou had me until you said GMOs and inflammation. GMOs are not allergenic[1]. Inflammation is a necessary function of the human body. There are no anti-inflammatory diets[2]. Short term inflammation has no bearing on health markers[3]. Just focus on a diet rich in whole foods, mostly plants that you can stick to over the long run. [1] https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-gmos-cause-gastrointestinal-sensitivity-and-inflammation/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-gmos-cause-gastrointest... [2] https://youtu.be/JKcfubZh-fc https://youtu.be/JKcfubZh-fc [3] https://youtu.be/CPB0jqo76Hg https://youtu.be/CPB0jqo76Hg
- bleomycin 5y agoWhat you have described is EXACTLY what I have been experiencing myself over the last year. This is the first time I have ever seen my symptoms and trajectory laid out like this anywhere, it’s truly surreal. Words cannot convey how much I would appreciate any help finding treatment. I’m honestly nearing the end of my rope dealing with this with no end in sight. I’ve lost 30 pounds of muscle and I’m currently too sick to work anymore. My doctors have been useless and basically clueless.
- MrBuddyCasino 5y agoSimilar for me. I made a discord channel if you like to talk: https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817562116 https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817...
- zackmorris 5y agoOh man, sorry to hear that. Here are some more data points about what I was doing in the 6 months before I got sick that might help: * Glutamine every day for "gut health" (not the culprit, but I think I was self-medicating without realizing it) * Animal Flex joint supplement (not the culprit, but I think that I was using the glucosamine-chondroitin component to heal my inflammation and gut lining so joint pain relief was just a bonus) * Zinc gluconate multiple times per week or every day (not the culprit, but I had heard that ZMA was good years before and noticed a good bump in my workout recovery) * Whey protein powder (almost certain that this was not the culprit, any brand, but the ones containing casein are hard on me and may have set off my initial digestive issues) * BCAAs (almost certainly not the culprit, any brand, this is the best recovery aid that I've found after whey if taken immediately after a workout) * Pre-workout (almost certainly not the culprit, any brand, but my burnout did coincide with drinking up to 3-4 cups of coffee some days at work and then a pre-workout at night before the gym) * Bean burritos with onions and peppers every day (main culprit, I think that my food sensitivity to legumes coincided with S&W discontinuing pinquitos sometime around 2015, then I switched to pinto beans which are much harder on the gut and almost certainly GMO today, I see that S&W has pinquito heirloom beans on Amazon now that I'll try) * Whole wheat bread (main culprit, I'm unable to eat several whole grains now, even oatmeal, unless they are gluten free, I believe that herbicides in the husk triggered it and that everyone is vulnerable to this one) * Almond butter (main culprit, I was trying to eat less meat and it backfired spectacularly, see the Vertical Diet by Stan Efferding to learn how diets go wrong in the health and fitness world and leave older lifters only able to eat ground beef and rice) That's all the physical side. I realize now after going through a healing and growth process during the pandemic that I had multiple opportunities to correct my course, but I ignored them before I was "woke": * Due to multiple traumas over the course of my life, I had learned to turn off my feelings entirely (main culprit, I just took it and it in many jobs and relationships, without communicating or setting boundaries) * Even when under crushing feelings of burnout, which I now realize is severe anxiety and a shut down response when the mind and body don't know what else to do, I forced myself to keep going to work and the gym (main culprit, I needed rehab on my injuries and nutrition before doubling down on more work) * I didn't go to the doctor, because I was embarrassed that I let my life get so out of control, so I just worked harder and harder and ignored my health (main culprit, my life had become the movie Bright Lights, Big City and I was putting everything off indefinitely) Writing this out, it's almost kind of funny because it would be easy to diagnose someone if they came to me with this list. The main culprit for me seems to be that I didn't prioritize my health, like ever, until it failed. Keep in mind that my work capacity at this point was tremendous. I was working 40-45 hours per week and going to the gym 5 times per week for massive 1.5 hour split workouts and eating 4000+ calories per day. I started breaking out really bad and getting joint paint and GI distress, but just kept acting like everything was normal. If anyone is in this boat and their health isn't working anymore, I'd highly recommend a full reboot, getting away for a few weeks and setting your ego aside. Meditate on your specific injuries and identify what's hurting in the body. Then address those injuries directly. You might need to go to a holistic or eastern medicine specialist because western medicine often misses secondary or multiple causes. I'd prescribe: * Take 2 weeks off from work, gym, and other obligations like family * Drink the maximum amount of water per day you're allowed, and give your kidneys and other organs a rest (at least a gallon) * Abstain from all supplements, possibly even a multivitamin (listen to your body's cravings and feed it what it needs) * Switch from nutrient-dense foods to nutrient-sparse foods, so eat leafy greens instead of peas, pumpkin seed granola instead of eggs, baked chicken and rice instead of steak, etc (stop stoking your boiler for a while so it can heal) * Get your testosterone, thyroid and other hormones checked (that much muscle loss sounds hormonal, also, my weight has fluctuated that much and it does come back in a few weeks/months so take heart that it's probably going to be ok) * Move your body for the sake of movement, do stretching/yoga, dance, or just walk (spirit communicates with our reality through movement, that's how reading signs and Tarot work, I added this because lack of woo-woo is what made me sick because I was dead inside) Edit: one last thing was ashwagandha, I took it for 3 months recently and it seems to have repaired something with my digestion and took my mood from a 2-4 to a 7-8 consistently with no other changes. I still have the afterglow of the energy boost a month after tapering off and stopping. If anyone does this, be sure to check in with a friend or doctor so that you don't accidentally take it too long and hurt yourself.
- MrBuddyCasino 5y agoSame age as you. I've recently got diagnosed "leaky gut" / auto-immune reaction as well and had food intolerances discovered. Mainly milk / nuts / eggs / grains / beans. Happy to talk and exchange insights if you like. I created a discord channel if you'd like to join: https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817562116 https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817...
- technosamay20 5y agoInsightful journey. Can you please share your discoveries and what do you eat now!
- jwuphysics 5y agoI'm sorry to hear about your experiences and it sounds like you learned a lot from firsthand knowledge. But, respectfully asking, what does inflammatory foods or poor eating habits have to do with GMO foods?
- sdze 5y agoAlso why would GMO be bad? The criticism comes mostly from people that also believe in osteopathic / homeopathic medicine in my social circle. I find it a terrific chance for humanity to engineer plants in such a way that they are more robust against disease and bad weather (with CRISPR/CAS and such methods).
- zargon 5y agoIn theory, there are lots of fine things we could do with GMOs. In practice, basically the only common use of GMOs is to allow indiscriminate use of pesticides and herbicides. This is purely about profit for chemical companies, without regard for environmental impact. I don't care to eat more pesticides and herbicides, either.
- wtetzner 5y agoI don’t think GMO is necessarily bad, but while companies are working on ways to make plants more robust, I doubt they’re taking the long term effects on human health into account.
- rogers18445 5y agoCurrently there doesn't appear to be any evidence that GMO is bad for your health and most GMO is just transplanting genes from other edible organisms. Hopefully regulators aren't going to allow insertion of engineered genes producing novel molecules without going through actual medical grade trials for those molecules. Or it may torpedo the entire industry.
- b112 5y agoCurrently there doesn't appear to be any evidence... And if we're wrong, how do you remove GMO organisms afterwards?
- avdlinde 5y agoSorry if I didn't understand correctly, but how did you make the alcohol (celebration), work stress, pandemic stress > GMO link?
- zackmorris 5y agoI only made it very recently. I had tried absolutely everything and gotten almost nowhere. I finally stumbled onto everlywell.com tests, took the comprehensive test of 200+ foods, and discovered almonds and dairy were the main culprits. I would ave been very unlikely to eliminate almonds as part of an elimination diet. Anyway, once I was able to feel better again, even for a day or two, I then was able to try other changes along the decision tree in the problem space. It soon became obvious what caused what. Everlywell says that 18 months of avoidance can often allow us to eat foods we're sensitive to again. I've blabbered about it at length in my previous comments, probably too much haha.
- themeiguoren 5y agoI’m glad you’re feeling better, but it’s worth pointing out to everyone else that food sensitivity tests are total bullshit. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/igg-food-intolerance-tests-continue-to-mislead-consumers-into-unnecessary-dietary-restrictions/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/igg-food-intolerance-tests-...
- mahathu 5y agoThanks for sharing, but can you (or anyone else) elaborate what he means by "the cognitive dissonance of the pre-COVID era"?
- Permit 5y ago> I didn't really believe any of this in 2018, and my meal plan then consisted entirely of everything that I can't eat today. I suspect you had the same degree of confidence in your understanding of these issue then as you do now. It's interesting that you can reflect on your overconfidence in the past, but don't seem to express any skepticism regarding your current beliefs surrounding nutrition. By the way, I'm not saying that you're wrong! GMOs may be bad, but I think you would do well to level some degree of skepticism over your current understanding of nutrition as you do toward your past understanding. Consider that perhaps you will be here in 2026 telling us about how you got it wrong today.
- omreaderhn 5y agoThere's an asymmetry in the risks associated with choosing either a) to restrict or b) not to restrict the set of foods you eat. Overconfidence in (b) carries more risk than overconfidence in (a). The set of chemicals that are toxic is much larger (as in >>>) than the set of chemicals that are necessary for sustaining life.
- closeparen 5y agoThe set of nutrients that will cause some kind of problem if missing is actually pretty large; consensus dietary advice usually includes the keyword “varied.”
- omreaderhn 5y agoI never said it wasn't a large set.
- treeman79 5y agoAutoimmune protocol diet exits for this. Spent a month eating sweet potatoes. Best I ever felt.
- thebeastie 5y agoI saw someone here comment that eating only sweet potatoes produced similar results to fasting.
- treeman79 5y agoSweet potatoes are on AIP. It’s an easy if boring way to do an elimination diet. Which is a great way to tell if food is an issue or not.
- rkalla 5y agoThis was a _fascinating_ read and I thank you for writing that all up - I'm in your "3 year" dip and in the past made attempts at tackling the gut biome issue with cycling probiotics, fresh vegetable fibers, organic/local yogurts, staying away from fake sugars and other dietary things that blow out the biome and even after a few weeks of doing this I never felt any better - would shrug my shoulders and go back to not really caring. Was there 1 inflammatory food item that is like kryptonite to you now? Fake sugars? Wheats?
- dannyw 5y agoIt was almonds for him.
- baxtr 5y agoSo, what are you actually eating now that has helped?
- dharmatech 5y agoHe mentioned that he's avoiding lectins. For that, checkout the book "The Plant Paradox". The food list is here: https://gundrymd.com/dr-gundry-diet-food-list/ https://gundrymd.com/dr-gundry-diet-food-list/