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As a human, I had a hard time seeing the green pylons when watching the video. Local to me pylons are always bright orange and easy to see. My brain is not loo

by bradfa 5y ago

As a human, I had a hard time seeing the green pylons when watching the video. Local to me pylons are always bright orange and easy to see. My brain is not looking for dark colored narrow barriers so it doesn’t surprise me that FSD doesn’t see them either. I imagine I’d have a hard time driving those roads in bad weather or at night and maybe even under the lighting during the video.

colanderman 5y ago
The car doesn't even see an orange pylon, with bright reflective tape, at 7:24. Or for that matter, the lane markings -- after the driver pulls the car back into the lane, in continues to try driving through the parking spaces and shoulder. This car can't even see orange pylons and lane markings. That's not even passable for a student driver on a closed course.
stubish 5y ago
And a great example why self driving needs more sensors than just vision. Otherwise it will keep making many of the same errors humans will. Someone is going to wipe the floor with Tesla simply by having a system that avoids collisions, rather than avoids collisions with things that can be seen.
lttlrck 5y ago
It didn't see the orange one later in the video either.
Volundr 5y ago
> As a human, I had a hard time seeing the green pylons when watching the video. I'm not doubting you, but I find that surprising. Admittedly the dark green blends into the background a bit, but the retroreflectors catching the sunlight stood out for me even in the video, which would have muted the effect somewhat. > I imagine I’d have a hard time driving those roads in bad weather or at night and maybe even under the lighting during the video. In bad weather or at night you should have you headlights on and those retroreflectors will make them shine brightly. They'll actually probably be easier to spot. In the event the weather is bad enough the retroreflectors can't bounce your headlights back at you, it's going to be bad enough your not seeing the paint either.
AlexandrB 5y ago
I think there's a huge difference between spotting them in a 2d video and spotting them live. Your brain is very good at picking out details like motion and parallax in a live environment.
klyrs 5y ago
The bollards are plainly visible in broad daylight, and wrapped with reflective tape. If you cannot see them, please stay off the road.

by bradfa 5y ago

colanderman 5y ago

The car doesn't even see an orange pylon, with bright reflective tape, at 7:24. Or for that matter, the lane markings -- after the driver pulls the car back into the lane, in continues to try driving through the parking spaces and shoulder. This car can't even see orange pylons and lane markings. That's not even passable for a student driver on a closed course.

stubish 5y ago

And a great example why self driving needs more sensors than just vision. Otherwise it will keep making many of the same errors humans will. Someone is going to wipe the floor with Tesla simply by having a system that avoids collisions, rather than avoids collisions with things that can be seen.

lttlrck 5y ago

It didn't see the orange one later in the video either.

Volundr 5y ago

> As a human, I had a hard time seeing the green pylons when watching the video. I'm not doubting you, but I find that surprising. Admittedly the dark green blends into the background a bit, but the retroreflectors catching the sunlight stood out for me even in the video, which would have muted the effect somewhat. > I imagine I’d have a hard time driving those roads in bad weather or at night and maybe even under the lighting during the video. In bad weather or at night you should have you headlights on and those retroreflectors will make them shine brightly. They'll actually probably be easier to spot. In the event the weather is bad enough the retroreflectors can't bounce your headlights back at you, it's going to be bad enough your not seeing the paint either.

AlexandrB 5y ago

I think there's a huge difference between spotting them in a 2d video and spotting them live. Your brain is very good at picking out details like motion and parallax in a live environment.

klyrs 5y ago

The bollards are plainly visible in broad daylight, and wrapped with reflective tape. If you cannot see them, please stay off the road.