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I think you just made the case for more homeschooling. Families are allowed to educate their children with their own values, whether or not we all agree on the

I think you just made the case for more homeschooling. Families are allowed to educate their children with their own values, whether or not we all agree on the same things.

pixl97 5y ago
"We agree on an alternate set... of facts"
- rgrieselhuber 5y ago
  That's what happens when open inquiry and free speech are curtailed.
- jimmygrapes 5y ago
  "We agree on the same facts, but differ in our definition of fact and the conclusions made from and consequent to those facts" seems more appropriate. There are a lot of "facts" that are really just assertions, with varying levels of evidence or proofs or universal applicability. The idea of rights is a good example of facts per this definition. If it's facts like mathematical or logical axioms, or similar such things that are virtually undisputed except by the utmost extreme fringe elements of humanity, probably we agree what a fact is. If it's "scientific consensus" well... maybe still, but it's getting hazy. If it's "lived experience" or "history as written by the victors" then we aren't agreeing on what a fact is anymore, in my opinion. And there are many levels of variability below that. The conclusions made based on a fact are progressively more impacted by the amount of variability. The consequences arising from making decisions based on those conclusions even moreso. If the conclusion is "my children will be treated like prisoners in public school and informed subtly through virtually every lesson plan that their skin color changes how they are supposed to behave and how they should view their positions in life" are that I vote for somebody who supports charter schools and voucher systems, the consequences might be that I end up campaigning for that single issue regardless of party or candidate. Or maybe it's just taking my kids out of school and using one of the many pre-made self-learning curricula for a variety of topics and give them a laptop and frequent checkups to ensure they're learning. Or maybe I outsource it to my church. Or maybe I outsource it to YouTube and Wikipedia. Or maybe I say fuck it and let them go play in the yard all day, or go to the mall, or go to their own protests all day, or join a street gang, or try to get tiktok views, or invent some thing, or write a book, or overdose, or chat on discord all day, or get a job, or join a club. Lot of options, lot of ways to "fail to educate" on any given topic.
  - cafard 5y ago
    "and informed subtly through virtually every lesson plan that their skin color changes how they are supposed to behave and how they should view their positions in life". Frankly, everyday life will do that for a lot of folks.
spoils19 5y ago
Agreed 100%. I personally plan to homeschool my own kids with the skills and values I believe will lead them to success in future life: piety, virtousness and a practical skill in the trades. There has been a big shift towards PC culture and STEM which may not even be applicable to the future. I also think that most history taught in US public schools has been severely rewritten to support a liberal agenda, which strays so far from the truth it borders on fantasy.
- ativzzz 5y ago
  I think given current trends giving your kid a linux computer without internet access at an early age and teaching them programming will secure a much more successful life than any trade, and they will have the finances and flexibility to pursue any physical/non-software hobby they want. I totally get manual labor being a virtue and I agree we should all seek it out to some extent, but making it your primary profession, in my opinion, does not hold a candle to software development for life quality.

I think you just made the case for more homeschooling. Families are allowed to educate their children with their own values, whether or not we all agree on the same things.

pixl97 5y ago

"We agree on an alternate set... of facts"

rgrieselhuber 5y ago
That's what happens when open inquiry and free speech are curtailed.
jimmygrapes 5y ago
"We agree on the same facts, but differ in our definition of fact and the conclusions made from and consequent to those facts" seems more appropriate. There are a lot of "facts" that are really just assertions, with varying levels of evidence or proofs or universal applicability. The idea of rights is a good example of facts per this definition. If it's facts like mathematical or logical axioms, or similar such things that are virtually undisputed except by the utmost extreme fringe elements of humanity, probably we agree what a fact is. If it's "scientific consensus" well... maybe still, but it's getting hazy. If it's "lived experience" or "history as written by the victors" then we aren't agreeing on what a fact is anymore, in my opinion. And there are many levels of variability below that. The conclusions made based on a fact are progressively more impacted by the amount of variability. The consequences arising from making decisions based on those conclusions even moreso. If the conclusion is "my children will be treated like prisoners in public school and informed subtly through virtually every lesson plan that their skin color changes how they are supposed to behave and how they should view their positions in life" are that I vote for somebody who supports charter schools and voucher systems, the consequences might be that I end up campaigning for that single issue regardless of party or candidate. Or maybe it's just taking my kids out of school and using one of the many pre-made self-learning curricula for a variety of topics and give them a laptop and frequent checkups to ensure they're learning. Or maybe I outsource it to my church. Or maybe I outsource it to YouTube and Wikipedia. Or maybe I say fuck it and let them go play in the yard all day, or go to the mall, or go to their own protests all day, or join a street gang, or try to get tiktok views, or invent some thing, or write a book, or overdose, or chat on discord all day, or get a job, or join a club. Lot of options, lot of ways to "fail to educate" on any given topic.
- cafard 5y ago
  "and informed subtly through virtually every lesson plan that their skin color changes how they are supposed to behave and how they should view their positions in life". Frankly, everyday life will do that for a lot of folks.

spoils19 5y ago

Agreed 100%. I personally plan to homeschool my own kids with the skills and values I believe will lead them to success in future life: piety, virtousness and a practical skill in the trades. There has been a big shift towards PC culture and STEM which may not even be applicable to the future. I also think that most history taught in US public schools has been severely rewritten to support a liberal agenda, which strays so far from the truth it borders on fantasy.

ativzzz 5y ago
I think given current trends giving your kid a linux computer without internet access at an early age and teaching them programming will secure a much more successful life than any trade, and they will have the finances and flexibility to pursue any physical/non-software hobby they want. I totally get manual labor being a virtue and I agree we should all seek it out to some extent, but making it your primary profession, in my opinion, does not hold a candle to software development for life quality.