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I've owned 3 teslas. On each of them I have chosen not to pre-pay $10,000 CAD in order to get access to FSD when it is available. 2 of those cars I owned and so
by jmacd 5y ago
I've owned 3 teslas. On each of them I have chosen not to pre-pay $10,000 CAD in order to get access to FSD when it is available. 2 of those cars I owned and sold before FSD was even available.
I would not have had the ability to take that license with me to the new car I purchased. I'm surprised this practice hasn't been investigated by any state justice or commerce dept (I'm not sure which it should be in the US?) as many consumers were sold something that was never provided.
- yumraj 5y ago> I'm surprised this practice hasn't been investigated by any state justice or commerce dept ... I'm not sure there's a way to regulate consumer stupidity. People are conned into losing money everyday, not all of those cons are crimes.
- AlexandrB 5y agoAll customers are stupid relative to the manufacturer/retailer because they're not privy to internal company information regarding the product they're buying. That's why consumer protection laws exist.
- yumraj 5y agoI agree. However, consumers putting down $10,000 for a promised feature with no firm deadline and severe restrictions on the said feature's portability are in a league of their own when it comes to stupidity. Or, perhaps they are more akin to an Investor ..
- bink 5y agoMany types of fraud only exist because people are "stupid". They're still illegal.
- jmacd 5y agoConsumer stupidity is one of the key elements of many frauds.
- elkos 5y agoThat sounds like a cleptocracy IMHO
- spuz 5y agoSo the FDS feature is tied to the car, rather than your personal account with Tesla? In that case, is it possible to transfer the deposit for FSD to the new Tesla owner? If so then presumably you could choose to reflect that in the price you choose to sell the car.
- bink 5y agoTesla has been removing the features upon resale. So these features are really just a license you purchase to use while you own the car.
- root_axis 5y agoIt's actually worse than that. The FSD is tied to your account and the car, i.e. if you sell the car to a new owner they will have to purchase FSD separately and if you buy a new Tesla you cannot transfer FSD from the old car to the new one.
- yreg 5y agoThat's not really true. If you sell your Tesla with FSD beta directly to me, I'll keep the FSD beta. If you trade it in to Tesla, then they might decide to remove the package and resell the car without it but I don't see how that would be your concern.
- jmacd 5y agoyes. It is probably one of the worst values in the entire automotive industry. They always have this "buy now, the price will go up later!" but I had to ask myself: how much can the price go up? It's not going to be a $20,000 feature any time soon. I figured I was risking a couple thousand dollars that I would need to pay to upgrade later.
- yreg 5y agoIf Tesla eventually solves FSD (which is not a given) they might stop selling the ad-on package altogether and just charge a per mile subscription instead. Then all of these old Teslas with FSD for life will become rare, similar to the Teslas witch unlimited free supercharging.
- AlexandrB 5y agoSeems like the license might not even transfer with the car to a new owner[1]. Feels like a really expensive Kickstarter. [1] https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/does-full-self-driving-fsd-transfer-when-you-sell-a-tesla/ https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/does-full-self-driving-f...
- FireBeyond 5y agoMight not? It absolutely does not.