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But the government is happy to shield them from liability when it comes to vaccines.

by encryptluks2 5y ago

strogonoff 5y ago
Governments belong in the same bucket as companies, from the point of view of actual journalism.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  I can't disagree with that, governments (cities, etc) are really just companies that the citizens work for once we are born.
pas 5y ago
Not for any vaccines. In case of covid ones the waiver was to get the vaccine fast. But it didn't mean anything goes, no oversight. It makes sense in a pandemic to have a fast rollout with continuous monitoring instead of the usual wait for the courts, usually wait for enough cases to have a class action, wait for the certification of that, etc. Not to mention the anti vax nutjobs screaming about experimential vaccines being experimential. (Which is meaningless, because even if it is it might be a lot more safe than something that's old, boring but did not get this much scrutiny.) Oh and baby bottom redness is not infectious and as far as we know did not kill anyone.
- thenaterator 5y ago
  > anti vax nutjobs This phrase is often used to malign those with a different understanding or opinion. Most people who question the efficacy and safety profile of the experimental Covid vaccines are neither anti vaccine nor nutjobs. > Oh and baby bottom redness is not infectious and as far as we know did not kill anyone. The talc powder lawsuits are because it is suspected or causing cancer. Yes, they made something with long term side effects. Which is why some are concerned about the rushed implementation of Covid vaccine mandates.
  - pas 5y ago
    > Which is why some are concerned about the rushed implementation of Covid vaccine mandates. Totally understandable. Accountability is very important. Concern is .. meh. If people have concern ask the FDA & CDC & Pfizer/Moderna. Get informed. If the answer from the FDA et al. is not satisfying, ask again, reach for the usual tools, FOIA, etc. Get the data for the clinical trials, check them. Get the data from VAERS, and so on. (Just with Ivermectin there's plenty of things to look at, get to the bottom, maybe even form an explanation of the data: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-t... ... and in the end it's possible to be still not 100% convinced.) But "oh it's rushed, I'm concerned" or "it's experimental" is about as valid as "oh my head hurts, it's because of those damn Wifi towers / windmills / transmission lines!". Countrywide health/energy/communications policy should not be made because propaganda induced mass hysteria. See also rock music and DnD and souls of kids. Maybe the right question to ask is "why it takes so long otherwise?".
  - ls15 5y ago
    Labeling people who disagree with insults in order to ridicule them is a a logical fallacy, a sign of intolerance and of poor discussion culture in my opinion. Typically because of anger and lack of rational arguments, I assume.

But the government is happy to shield them from liability when it comes to vaccines.

strogonoff 5y ago

Governments belong in the same bucket as companies, from the point of view of actual journalism.

encryptluks2 5y ago
I can't disagree with that, governments (cities, etc) are really just companies that the citizens work for once we are born.

pas 5y ago

Not for any vaccines. In case of covid ones the waiver was to get the vaccine fast. But it didn't mean anything goes, no oversight. It makes sense in a pandemic to have a fast rollout with continuous monitoring instead of the usual wait for the courts, usually wait for enough cases to have a class action, wait for the certification of that, etc. Not to mention the anti vax nutjobs screaming about experimential vaccines being experimential. (Which is meaningless, because even if it is it might be a lot more safe than something that's old, boring but did not get this much scrutiny.) Oh and baby bottom redness is not infectious and as far as we know did not kill anyone.

thenaterator 5y ago
> anti vax nutjobs This phrase is often used to malign those with a different understanding or opinion. Most people who question the efficacy and safety profile of the experimental Covid vaccines are neither anti vaccine nor nutjobs. > Oh and baby bottom redness is not infectious and as far as we know did not kill anyone. The talc powder lawsuits are because it is suspected or causing cancer. Yes, they made something with long term side effects. Which is why some are concerned about the rushed implementation of Covid vaccine mandates.
- pas 5y ago
  > Which is why some are concerned about the rushed implementation of Covid vaccine mandates. Totally understandable. Accountability is very important. Concern is .. meh. If people have concern ask the FDA & CDC & Pfizer/Moderna. Get informed. If the answer from the FDA et al. is not satisfying, ask again, reach for the usual tools, FOIA, etc. Get the data for the clinical trials, check them. Get the data from VAERS, and so on. (Just with Ivermectin there's plenty of things to look at, get to the bottom, maybe even form an explanation of the data: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-t... ... and in the end it's possible to be still not 100% convinced.) But "oh it's rushed, I'm concerned" or "it's experimental" is about as valid as "oh my head hurts, it's because of those damn Wifi towers / windmills / transmission lines!". Countrywide health/energy/communications policy should not be made because propaganda induced mass hysteria. See also rock music and DnD and souls of kids. Maybe the right question to ask is "why it takes so long otherwise?".
- ls15 5y ago
  Labeling people who disagree with insults in order to ridicule them is a a logical fallacy, a sign of intolerance and of poor discussion culture in my opinion. Typically because of anger and lack of rational arguments, I assume.