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A democratic government is a government built and run for the 51%. Technically, pure anarchy is the only form of government that is for the people by the people

A democratic government is a government built and run for the 51%. Technically, pure anarchy is the only form of government that is for the people by the people because... theres only the people. Not some entity set above and beyond the reaches of 'The people', with authority over the people. Not that i believe in anarchy as the epitome of governance, but Bakunin has left me slightly jaded ever since i read him in high school. I would agree with you that a free society is one that protects peoples rights. But... somewhere along the lines of social media and virtue signaling, protecting peoples right slowly transformed from the 'No-Harm principle' to 'Comply with X_Dogma or be canceled!'. This tendency has stiffled debate, taken away rights and shown the deep flaws in the democracy of a mob. Atleast in the US and the UK, these power structures that we have put in place are not for the people but are for the politicians within that government. If you are a democratic aspiring politician showing you can enforce paternalistic arguments among your populace is the key path to power. in Democracy, as soon as you put someone in 'Power', the path instantly diverges between 'By the people' and 'I think therefore i am'. With the creation of an institution, it becomes an entity in it's own right. It believes that since the people bestowed this power upon them, it is their moral responsibility to protect the people. Case in point - Smoking cigs are bad for your health and 80% of the people agree... So lets ban cigarettes! While we are on this topic, everyone agrees that endlessly scrolling instagram is also bad, so let's put a time limit on social media - Everyone gets an hour a day! Since this pandemic thing can happen again at any time, we might as just wear our masks forever. It's a minor inconvenience, but think of how many lives you can save! Also, this whole Covid thing really showed that there are deadly things out there that we don't understand, and since vaccine effectiveness does not seem to resonate with people we are going to break into your house and force jab ya! Oh, Vaccine effectiveness waning... Well we designed this cocktail of immunities! Mandatory for any employees in a company over 1! Also, since we are on the discussion of democracy... Do you think we can slide in alittle bill that says all mexicans gotta go back to Mexico? Think we can get 51% of the population to agree with the "We have put a man on the moon, we can build a fence!" ... Default::default("more racist, paternalistic, irrational arguments that democracy can concoct")

lenkite 5y ago
Governments should have the right to scan human body and minds 24x7. Think of the massive number of lives saved! This will also mean more govt jobs and better employment!
CRConrad 5y ago
> Case in point - Smoking cigs are bad for your health and 80% of the people agree... So lets ban cigarettes! Yes, please. > While we are on this topic, everyone agrees that endlessly scrolling instagram is also bad, so let's put a time limit on social media - Everyone gets an hour a day! Wrong conclusion. (What, you wanna cut my HN procrastination by three quarters?!?) Correct conclusion: Just ban all that endlessly scrolling shit.
- RustyConsul 5y ago
  yeah, but you are creating a populace that is dependent on their government for motivation, morals and concept of time spent. Not a good long term strat, and is historically what you see in the death throws of an empire.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > creating a populace that is dependent on their government for motivation, morals and concept of time spent. Huh? How does that follow? I don't think so. Seems at least as likely that "the government" is just collecting and codifying some of the populace's pre-existing norms. TL;DR: [Citation needed] > historically what you see in the death throws of an empire. Throes. Fuck knows if that's etymologically just a weird old spelling of 'throws' that has survived only in this particular usage or WTF it's all about, but nevertheless that's how it's usually spelled.
vel0city 5y ago
> Smoking cigs are bad for your health and 80% of the people agree... So lets ban cigarettes! Smoking is kind of a bad example here. Smoking has obvious secondary effects, i.e. secondhand smoke. I have no problem with tobacco smoking being banned from shared office spaces and other common public spaces. Sure, maybe make it possible to get somewhat easy permits to allow for things like smoking lounges, certain kinds of bars, etc. but overall I still consider it a positive that nobody is smoking at my office, movie theaters, practically all restaurants, on the train, etc. You should have the right to inhale whatever the hell you want. But you don't have the right to force me to breathe whatever you're wanting to inhale.

lenkite 5y ago

Governments should have the right to scan human body and minds 24x7. Think of the massive number of lives saved! This will also mean more govt jobs and better employment!

CRConrad 5y ago

> Case in point - Smoking cigs are bad for your health and 80% of the people agree... So lets ban cigarettes! Yes, please. > While we are on this topic, everyone agrees that endlessly scrolling instagram is also bad, so let's put a time limit on social media - Everyone gets an hour a day! Wrong conclusion. (What, you wanna cut my HN procrastination by three quarters?!?) Correct conclusion: Just ban all that endlessly scrolling shit.

RustyConsul 5y ago
yeah, but you are creating a populace that is dependent on their government for motivation, morals and concept of time spent. Not a good long term strat, and is historically what you see in the death throws of an empire.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > creating a populace that is dependent on their government for motivation, morals and concept of time spent. Huh? How does that follow? I don't think so. Seems at least as likely that "the government" is just collecting and codifying some of the populace's pre-existing norms. TL;DR: [Citation needed] > historically what you see in the death throws of an empire. Throes. Fuck knows if that's etymologically just a weird old spelling of 'throws' that has survived only in this particular usage or WTF it's all about, but nevertheless that's how it's usually spelled.

vel0city 5y ago

> Smoking cigs are bad for your health and 80% of the people agree... So lets ban cigarettes! Smoking is kind of a bad example here. Smoking has obvious secondary effects, i.e. secondhand smoke. I have no problem with tobacco smoking being banned from shared office spaces and other common public spaces. Sure, maybe make it possible to get somewhat easy permits to allow for things like smoking lounges, certain kinds of bars, etc. but overall I still consider it a positive that nobody is smoking at my office, movie theaters, practically all restaurants, on the train, etc. You should have the right to inhale whatever the hell you want. But you don't have the right to force me to breathe whatever you're wanting to inhale.