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You are ignoring the fact that Russia already invaded Ukraine. NATO hasn't done anything but being defensive. Just like Russia was the first to tries to arm Cu

You are ignoring the fact that Russia already invaded Ukraine. NATO hasn't done anything but being defensive. Just like Russia was the first to tries to arm Cuba in 1960. Difference is, we are reacting to actual and consistent threats by Russia. Current situation just is another proof it's necessary. And that NATO is obviously also the EU. It's literally Russia that wants the US involved, since he wants to speak with Biden. Russia made it US business, just like they want China involved to make a counter argument against NATO. Here's a joint press release from China and Russia: http://en.kremlin.ru/supplement/5770?s=08 http://en.kremlin.ru/supplement/5770?s=08 Ps. Because of Russia 's previous actions, i highly doubt anything with that related is going through. Putin is just using his leverage while he still has it. Europe is now buying US shale because of it ( = Russian actions). I may hope the pipeline never gets used. And as a EU citizen where the main port just got hacked, i want to move from Russian gas much faster. I don't care about the costs and short term problems. Ps. The treaty expired and is now "new start". You are free to point me to where the "demilitarized zone" section is :)

nix23 5y ago
>NATO hasn't done anything but being defensive. Nato rockets in turkey. https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/turkey-overview/ https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/turkey-overview/ >>As part of NATO’s nuclear umbrella, Turkey continues to host approximately 50 U.S. tactical nuclear weapons on its territory at Incirlik Air Base. >And that NATO is obviously also the EU. No, it has nothing todo with each other and sweden is not nato too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#/media/File:History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#/media/Fil... >Russia made it US business Like Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam..Korea...stop starting wars for your own good and tell everyone it's for world-peace and democracy...it's bs and you know it. >Putin is just using his leverage while he still has it. Same could be said about the whole US and Europa, western world-domination is at a breaking point. >Europe is now buying US shale because of it ( = Russian actions). I may hope the pipeline never gets used. That's exactly what the US wants...but the undrinkable water will no be in Russia...cheers, and the Ukraine....no pipeline use for Russia to Europa gas too, Ukraine looses Russia looses...exactly what the US wants (selling expensive gas...btw second biggest gas exporter for the US is...wait...RUSSIA, so the US buys cheap gas from Russia and sells expensive one to Europa...what a stupid Union) >And as a EU citizen where the main port just got hacked EU Mainport? Oh got hacked...well that has to be russia N.Korea or at least china...nonono my dear no false flag allowed. Russia has so much to win when europe hates them right?...a bit logic would do good to every EU-Citizen....
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  > Nato rockets in turkey The shield is only to destroy incoming Syrian missles. It's defensive. > Western world domination You think i care? I care about trade. That's literally already what the EU internally does and why i support getting poorer neighboring countries ( Who are friendly) richer. I prefer democracies though. > Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam..Korea. You need 70 years of timeline to cover that? Russia send troops to more countries in the last year too kill civilians. Nice whataboutism though. But kinda off topic on that point. > That's exactly what the US wants.. I want to trade with friends, not a bully. While we haven't finalized a deal with US yet, we already reduced gas imports: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-says-gas-exports-down-413-yy-january-2022-02-01/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-says... The more expensive it gets, the higher priority it receives, the more viable it's alternatives become and the faster innovation ( or implementing costly decisions) could hasten it's demise. Logical thinking 101 ftw. Humans are great at fixing big problems that suddenly present itselve. I want it on top of the table and it's happening thanks to Russia. Short term, i would improve regasification capabilities for LNG could be a solution. With some luck by next year. Buying more LNG from other parties ( eg. Australia) could be beneficial too, since it's currently underused. > Stupid union The "stupid union" which Russia wants to stop expanding because many countries prefer it. Not forced into it by military action/regime. Whatever floats your boat man. > False flag I didn't even claim it's Russia. Plenty of proof that Russia is a main actor hacking our systems in general. Russia could use some logical cause and effect logic. What you sow is what you reap.
  - nix23 5y ago
    >The shield is only to destroy incoming Syrian missles. It's defensive. Yes nuclear wapons against syrian rockets....sounds plausible. >You think i care? I care about trade. Ah yes you can have that with china definitely >I want to trade with friends, The US are not friends, your are pretty naive to think another country is a friend to another one, there is no such thing as friendship in international diplomacy. >The "stupid union" which Russia wants to stop expanding because many countries prefer it. They don't have anything against europe, but something against a union steered by the us to hold both (Russia and Europe) down. >I didn't even claim it's Russia. Why then even mentioning it. >Russia could use some logical cause and effect logic. Not logical...that's why i said probable false flag.

nix23 5y ago

>NATO hasn't done anything but being defensive. Nato rockets in turkey. https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/turkey-overview/ https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/turkey-overview/ >>As part of NATO’s nuclear umbrella, Turkey continues to host approximately 50 U.S. tactical nuclear weapons on its territory at Incirlik Air Base. >And that NATO is obviously also the EU. No, it has nothing todo with each other and sweden is not nato too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#/media/File:History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#/media/Fil... >Russia made it US business Like Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam..Korea...stop starting wars for your own good and tell everyone it's for world-peace and democracy...it's bs and you know it. >Putin is just using his leverage while he still has it. Same could be said about the whole US and Europa, western world-domination is at a breaking point. >Europe is now buying US shale because of it ( = Russian actions). I may hope the pipeline never gets used. That's exactly what the US wants...but the undrinkable water will no be in Russia...cheers, and the Ukraine....no pipeline use for Russia to Europa gas too, Ukraine looses Russia looses...exactly what the US wants (selling expensive gas...btw second biggest gas exporter for the US is...wait...RUSSIA, so the US buys cheap gas from Russia and sells expensive one to Europa...what a stupid Union) >And as a EU citizen where the main port just got hacked EU Mainport? Oh got hacked...well that has to be russia N.Korea or at least china...nonono my dear no false flag allowed. Russia has so much to win when europe hates them right?...a bit logic would do good to every EU-Citizen....

NicoJuicy 5y ago
> Nato rockets in turkey The shield is only to destroy incoming Syrian missles. It's defensive. > Western world domination You think i care? I care about trade. That's literally already what the EU internally does and why i support getting poorer neighboring countries ( Who are friendly) richer. I prefer democracies though. > Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam..Korea. You need 70 years of timeline to cover that? Russia send troops to more countries in the last year too kill civilians. Nice whataboutism though. But kinda off topic on that point. > That's exactly what the US wants.. I want to trade with friends, not a bully. While we haven't finalized a deal with US yet, we already reduced gas imports: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-says-gas-exports-down-413-yy-january-2022-02-01/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-says... The more expensive it gets, the higher priority it receives, the more viable it's alternatives become and the faster innovation ( or implementing costly decisions) could hasten it's demise. Logical thinking 101 ftw. Humans are great at fixing big problems that suddenly present itselve. I want it on top of the table and it's happening thanks to Russia. Short term, i would improve regasification capabilities for LNG could be a solution. With some luck by next year. Buying more LNG from other parties ( eg. Australia) could be beneficial too, since it's currently underused. > Stupid union The "stupid union" which Russia wants to stop expanding because many countries prefer it. Not forced into it by military action/regime. Whatever floats your boat man. > False flag I didn't even claim it's Russia. Plenty of proof that Russia is a main actor hacking our systems in general. Russia could use some logical cause and effect logic. What you sow is what you reap.
- nix23 5y ago
  >The shield is only to destroy incoming Syrian missles. It's defensive. Yes nuclear wapons against syrian rockets....sounds plausible. >You think i care? I care about trade. Ah yes you can have that with china definitely >I want to trade with friends, The US are not friends, your are pretty naive to think another country is a friend to another one, there is no such thing as friendship in international diplomacy. >The "stupid union" which Russia wants to stop expanding because many countries prefer it. They don't have anything against europe, but something against a union steered by the us to hold both (Russia and Europe) down. >I didn't even claim it's Russia. Why then even mentioning it. >Russia could use some logical cause and effect logic. Not logical...that's why i said probable false flag.