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How do you think that's done?

gambiting 5y ago
Definitely not with AI? I mean Photoshop could do that 10+ years ago without "machine learning" even being a thing people talked about.
- ianbutler 5y ago
  And you'd be wrong. The key part here is "live in real time video" Photoshop definitely cannot do that, I know that for a fact. https://towardsdatascience.com/virtual-background-for-video-conferencing-using-machine-learning-dfba17d90aa9 https://towardsdatascience.com/virtual-background-for-video-... There's an example article on the subject.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    I just don't see how that's AI , sorry. Machine learning to recognize a background isn't AI.
    - ianbutler 5y ago
      ML is most certainly AI. I had a visceral feeling you'd respond with this. Sorry but what ever magic you have in your head isn't AI -- this is real AI and you're moving goal posts like alot of people tend to do.
      - gambiting 5y ago
        You have single cell organisms which are able to sense their nearby surroundings and make a choice based on the input - they can differentiate food from other materials and know how to move towards it. They are a system which can process complex input and make a decision based on that input. Yet you wouldn't call a basic single cell organism intelligent in any way. The term usually used is that it's simply a biochemical reaction that makes them process the input and make a choice, but you wouldn't call it intelligence and in fact no biologist ever would. I feel the same principle should apply to software - yes, you've built a mathematical model which can take input and make a decision based on the internal algorithms, if you trained it to detect background in video then that's what it will do. But it's not intelligence. It's no different than the bacteria deciding what to eat because certain biological receptors were triggered. I think calling it intelligent is one of the biggest lies IT professionals tell themselves and others. That's not to say the technology isn't impressive - it certainly is. But it's not AI in my opinion.
- ArnoVW 5y ago
  This is sort of the interesting thing with AI. It's a moving target. Every time when an AI problem gets cracked, it's "yea but that's not really AI, just a stupid hack". Take autonomous cars. Sure, Musk is over-hyping, but we are making progress. I imagine it will go something like: Step 1) support for drivers (anti sleep or colision).. done? Step 2) autonomous driving in one area, perfect conditions, using expensive sensors Step n) gradual iteration removes those qualifications one by one .. yes, it will take 10/20 years before cars can drive autonomously in chaotic conditions such as "centre of Paris in the rain". But at each of those steps value is created, and at each step people will say "yea but..".
  - robertlagrant 5y ago
    Arguably most autonomous driving solutions can already perfectly emulate typical driving in Paris in the rain.

Definitely not with AI? I mean Photoshop could do that 10+ years ago without "machine learning" even being a thing people talked about.

ianbutler 5y ago
And you'd be wrong. The key part here is "live in real time video" Photoshop definitely cannot do that, I know that for a fact. https://towardsdatascience.com/virtual-background-for-video-conferencing-using-machine-learning-dfba17d90aa9 https://towardsdatascience.com/virtual-background-for-video-... There's an example article on the subject.
- gambiting 5y ago
  I just don't see how that's AI , sorry. Machine learning to recognize a background isn't AI.
  - ianbutler 5y ago
    ML is most certainly AI. I had a visceral feeling you'd respond with this. Sorry but what ever magic you have in your head isn't AI -- this is real AI and you're moving goal posts like alot of people tend to do.
    - gambiting 5y ago
      You have single cell organisms which are able to sense their nearby surroundings and make a choice based on the input - they can differentiate food from other materials and know how to move towards it. They are a system which can process complex input and make a decision based on that input. Yet you wouldn't call a basic single cell organism intelligent in any way. The term usually used is that it's simply a biochemical reaction that makes them process the input and make a choice, but you wouldn't call it intelligence and in fact no biologist ever would. I feel the same principle should apply to software - yes, you've built a mathematical model which can take input and make a decision based on the internal algorithms, if you trained it to detect background in video then that's what it will do. But it's not intelligence. It's no different than the bacteria deciding what to eat because certain biological receptors were triggered. I think calling it intelligent is one of the biggest lies IT professionals tell themselves and others. That's not to say the technology isn't impressive - it certainly is. But it's not AI in my opinion.
ArnoVW 5y ago
This is sort of the interesting thing with AI. It's a moving target. Every time when an AI problem gets cracked, it's "yea but that's not really AI, just a stupid hack". Take autonomous cars. Sure, Musk is over-hyping, but we are making progress. I imagine it will go something like: Step 1) support for drivers (anti sleep or colision).. done? Step 2) autonomous driving in one area, perfect conditions, using expensive sensors Step n) gradual iteration removes those qualifications one by one .. yes, it will take 10/20 years before cars can drive autonomously in chaotic conditions such as "centre of Paris in the rain". But at each of those steps value is created, and at each step people will say "yea but..".
- robertlagrant 5y ago
  Arguably most autonomous driving solutions can already perfectly emulate typical driving in Paris in the rain.