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I don't know quite what you mean, but I take it that you have no evidence that vaccines significantly impact community transmission either.

tomrod 5y ago
You take it incorrectly. The incidence rate ratios of COVID-19 are impacted by vaccination status. Published January 28, 2022: [0] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7105e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7105e1.htm > All incidence and hospitalization rate ratios exceeded 1, regardless of predominant variant, indicating that the risks were consistently highest for unvaccinated persons and that COVID-19 vaccines were protective against SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19–associated hospitalization among fully vaccinated persons, and most protective among those with a booster. Published 2/2/2022 [1] https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/... This one shows a nice breakdown of the incidence rate ratio among age groups and similar. ------------ What does this have to do with community transmission? [1] If you aren't infected, you aren't spreading the disease [2] A lower transmission rate equates to lower community spread all else equal (as someone identified earlier, Jevon's paradox could come to head) [3] The lower IRR is a lower propensity (or, if you prefer, a lower R_t) between the two groups. ----------- This matches what I see in my regional reporting; the IRR is significantly different between the two groups. In my area (a red state in the US) behaviors are mostly back to pre-pandemic levels of behavior, so it is reasonable to conclude that the IRR in my area is representative of life following any COVID-19 protocols being relaxed.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  You have no data showing the impact to community spread.
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  - tomrod 5y ago
    I do, but since the data is not publicly released its not shareable. Hence the reason I've explained and pointed you to the appropriate resources. A reduction in the incidence rate ratio among vaccinated individuals is a reduction to community spread, ceterus paribus. Have a good evening.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      > I do, but since the data is not publicly released its not shareable. I don't believe you do and I shouldn't need to either way. "Believe me bro" isn't science. > Hence the reason I've explained What's that supposed to mean? What reason, what explanation? > and pointed you to the appropriate resources. You pointed to no appropriate resources. You actually deflected from the question and provided a lot of links and waffle that did not answer the question at all. In case it wasn't clear, I was not asking for techbro handwaving about whether vaccines impact community transmission. I was asking for actual data. > A reduction in the incidence rate ratio among vaccinated individuals is a reduction to community spread. An assertion that you have failed to prove and have no evidence for, as far as I can see. > Have a good evening. You too. And try not to make any more claims you don't have evidence for, it's misinformation.
      - tomrod 5y ago
        You're sealioning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning I'll respond here in case your engagement with disinformation caused anyone confusion. > "Believe me bro" isn't science. Correct. This is a public internet forum where private or restricted access sources are not shareable, not an open science conference. Hence the reason the Washington State and CDC studies were shared, which align to claims made. > What's that supposed to mean? What reason, what explanation? I'll refer you to prior comments in this discussion chain. > pointed to no appropriate resources. ... provided a lot of links Read the links provided. > An assertion that you have failed to prove and have no evidence for, as far as I can see. Tautologies generally don't need proof. I believe you're being intentionally deceptive here. Why tautological: a reduction in an individual's capacity to become infected with the virus reduces their individual capacity to spread the disease. A community is a collection of individuals; reducing many people's capacity through a vaccine to spread disease reduces community spread. I refer you to both the Washington State study as well as the CDC study for the recent incidence rate ratio comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. > You too. And try not to make any more claims you don't have evidence for, it's misinformation. It's comments like these that show you are sealioning. Strong evidence for your questions have been provided in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30232957 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30232957 -- your inability to acknowledge the evidence provided because it disproves your attempt at sowing confusion doesn't mean the evidence is not clearly presented and available. Versus sealioning on a controversial topic -- that's disinformation. I find insulting when people engage in it, and I'll not entertain your comments further. -------------------- For any reading this comment chain who may be confused -- vaccinations reduce community spread, the evidence has been provided in the comment linked, and I encourage you to strongly distrust when people are "just asking questions."

tomrod 5y ago

You take it incorrectly. The incidence rate ratios of COVID-19 are impacted by vaccination status. Published January 28, 2022: [0] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7105e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7105e1.htm > All incidence and hospitalization rate ratios exceeded 1, regardless of predominant variant, indicating that the risks were consistently highest for unvaccinated persons and that COVID-19 vaccines were protective against SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19–associated hospitalization among fully vaccinated persons, and most protective among those with a booster. Published 2/2/2022 [1] https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/... This one shows a nice breakdown of the incidence rate ratio among age groups and similar. ------------ What does this have to do with community transmission? [1] If you aren't infected, you aren't spreading the disease [2] A lower transmission rate equates to lower community spread all else equal (as someone identified earlier, Jevon's paradox could come to head) [3] The lower IRR is a lower propensity (or, if you prefer, a lower R_t) between the two groups. ----------- This matches what I see in my regional reporting; the IRR is significantly different between the two groups. In my area (a red state in the US) behaviors are mostly back to pre-pandemic levels of behavior, so it is reasonable to conclude that the IRR in my area is representative of life following any COVID-19 protocols being relaxed.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
You have no data showing the impact to community spread.
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- tomrod 5y ago
  I do, but since the data is not publicly released its not shareable. Hence the reason I've explained and pointed you to the appropriate resources. A reduction in the incidence rate ratio among vaccinated individuals is a reduction to community spread, ceterus paribus. Have a good evening.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    > I do, but since the data is not publicly released its not shareable. I don't believe you do and I shouldn't need to either way. "Believe me bro" isn't science. > Hence the reason I've explained What's that supposed to mean? What reason, what explanation? > and pointed you to the appropriate resources. You pointed to no appropriate resources. You actually deflected from the question and provided a lot of links and waffle that did not answer the question at all. In case it wasn't clear, I was not asking for techbro handwaving about whether vaccines impact community transmission. I was asking for actual data. > A reduction in the incidence rate ratio among vaccinated individuals is a reduction to community spread. An assertion that you have failed to prove and have no evidence for, as far as I can see. > Have a good evening. You too. And try not to make any more claims you don't have evidence for, it's misinformation.
    - tomrod 5y ago
      You're sealioning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning I'll respond here in case your engagement with disinformation caused anyone confusion. > "Believe me bro" isn't science. Correct. This is a public internet forum where private or restricted access sources are not shareable, not an open science conference. Hence the reason the Washington State and CDC studies were shared, which align to claims made. > What's that supposed to mean? What reason, what explanation? I'll refer you to prior comments in this discussion chain. > pointed to no appropriate resources. ... provided a lot of links Read the links provided. > An assertion that you have failed to prove and have no evidence for, as far as I can see. Tautologies generally don't need proof. I believe you're being intentionally deceptive here. Why tautological: a reduction in an individual's capacity to become infected with the virus reduces their individual capacity to spread the disease. A community is a collection of individuals; reducing many people's capacity through a vaccine to spread disease reduces community spread. I refer you to both the Washington State study as well as the CDC study for the recent incidence rate ratio comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. > You too. And try not to make any more claims you don't have evidence for, it's misinformation. It's comments like these that show you are sealioning. Strong evidence for your questions have been provided in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30232957 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30232957 -- your inability to acknowledge the evidence provided because it disproves your attempt at sowing confusion doesn't mean the evidence is not clearly presented and available. Versus sealioning on a controversial topic -- that's disinformation. I find insulting when people engage in it, and I'll not entertain your comments further. -------------------- For any reading this comment chain who may be confused -- vaccinations reduce community spread, the evidence has been provided in the comment linked, and I encourage you to strongly distrust when people are "just asking questions."