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Sorry kids, Joe Manchin is concerned about entitlements.

js2 5y ago
He’s even worse than that: > Publicly, his biggest gripes are about the cost of the bill. But privately, Manchin has told his colleagues that he essentially doesn’t trust low-income people to spend government money wisely. > In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better-child-tax-credit-drugs_n_61bf8f6be4b061afe394006d https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better...
- sofixa 5y ago
  So he's assuming all poor people with children are drug users? That's not very nice.
- refurb 5y ago
  According to “two sources familiar with js2’s” comments, he feels like babies would benefit from regular doses of cocaine. See how easy it is to make things up about your enemies? Not shocked the HuffPost publishes it though.
  - js2 5y ago
    Wall Street Journal reports the same thing and it’s entirely consistent with what he says publicly. > The West Virginia Democrat has raised concerns that the no-strings attached benefit fuels opioid use, according to people familiar with his views. Some other Democrats and outside advocates have argued that the payments help prevent opioid use in hopes of changing his mind on work requirements. West Virginia has the highest rate of opioid-related overdoses in the country, according to government data. > “Don’t you think, if we’re going to help the children, that the people should make some effort?” he said on CNN earlier this month. https://archive.is/2021.09.28-163016/https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-debate-duration-details-of-child-tax-credit-extension-11632828474 https://archive.is/2021.09.28-163016/https://www.wsj.com/art...
    - refurb 5y ago
      Slightly different comment, no?
      - deleted 5y ago
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- dlp211 5y ago
  While this is terrible, let's remember that there are 50 Republican Senators, many who profess the need for the US government to help everyday American families, who also don't support the expanded CTC.
  - votepaunchy 5y ago
    Republicans doubled the child tax credit under Trump with no support from Democrats.
    - bandyaboot 5y ago
      The Democrats would vote for that if it wasn’t part of a massive corporate and high income tax cut. Do you think Republicans would support the Democrats’ CTC measures if it were on its own? The Republicans aren’t necessarily against spending for these sorts of things but only when they’re in control. Their first principle is to prevent Democratic “wins”, even if it means screwing over children.
    - dlp211 5y ago
      They also got rid of the child exemption resulting in little change for many Americans. Democrats also went on to further increase the size of the CTC, as well as the refundability of the CTC, and also made it available as a monthly payment. Notice that child poverty didn't substantially drop after the Republican change, but did after the Democrats plan.

js2 5y ago

He’s even worse than that: > Publicly, his biggest gripes are about the cost of the bill. But privately, Manchin has told his colleagues that he essentially doesn’t trust low-income people to spend government money wisely. > In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better-child-tax-credit-drugs_n_61bf8f6be4b061afe394006d https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better...

sofixa 5y ago
So he's assuming all poor people with children are drug users? That's not very nice.
refurb 5y ago
According to “two sources familiar with js2’s” comments, he feels like babies would benefit from regular doses of cocaine. See how easy it is to make things up about your enemies? Not shocked the HuffPost publishes it though.
- js2 5y ago
  Wall Street Journal reports the same thing and it’s entirely consistent with what he says publicly. > The West Virginia Democrat has raised concerns that the no-strings attached benefit fuels opioid use, according to people familiar with his views. Some other Democrats and outside advocates have argued that the payments help prevent opioid use in hopes of changing his mind on work requirements. West Virginia has the highest rate of opioid-related overdoses in the country, according to government data. > “Don’t you think, if we’re going to help the children, that the people should make some effort?” he said on CNN earlier this month. https://archive.is/2021.09.28-163016/https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-debate-duration-details-of-child-tax-credit-extension-11632828474 https://archive.is/2021.09.28-163016/https://www.wsj.com/art...
  - refurb 5y ago
    Slightly different comment, no?
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
dlp211 5y ago
While this is terrible, let's remember that there are 50 Republican Senators, many who profess the need for the US government to help everyday American families, who also don't support the expanded CTC.
- votepaunchy 5y ago
  Republicans doubled the child tax credit under Trump with no support from Democrats.
  - bandyaboot 5y ago
    The Democrats would vote for that if it wasn’t part of a massive corporate and high income tax cut. Do you think Republicans would support the Democrats’ CTC measures if it were on its own? The Republicans aren’t necessarily against spending for these sorts of things but only when they’re in control. Their first principle is to prevent Democratic “wins”, even if it means screwing over children.
  - dlp211 5y ago
    They also got rid of the child exemption resulting in little change for many Americans. Democrats also went on to further increase the size of the CTC, as well as the refundability of the CTC, and also made it available as a monthly payment. Notice that child poverty didn't substantially drop after the Republican change, but did after the Democrats plan.