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Anti mandate movements in general have something closer to what you said, but everyone I know that isn't right wing is embarrassed or angry at the convoy, even

Anti mandate movements in general have something closer to what you said, but everyone I know that isn't right wing is embarrassed or angry at the convoy, even those who don't like mandates.

throwaway894345 5y ago
That’s interesting. I feel like most of my normie acquaintances don’t really know what’s going on much less have strong feelings. In general I get a sense of disillusionment among my normie/nonpartisan friends with respect to the CDC guidance, vaccine mandates, etc.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  It's creeping in here, but it just doesn't translate at all to sympathy to the convoy.
  - nintendo1889 5y ago
    You could go live in a concentration camp and get forced experimental treatments, philosophically and metaphorically speaking. Respectfully. I suggest everyone listen to the darkhorse podcast with Weinstein, Malone, and Kirsch. Kirsch did more than just invent the laser mouse.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      I don't really see how that is related to my comment.
petre 5y ago
What other option is there when the government is tone deaf? They do it in France for other things and it's quite legal when there's a union behind it. And what will the government do if the truckers finally throw in the towel like they did in the UK (or maybe it was Polish and other Eastern European truckers who chose to operate on the mainland after Brexit)?
- rnk 5y ago
  That's not what happened in the UK. There was demand for a lot of truck drivers, in the past there were a lot of immigrants who would work for low wages, but they brilliantly cut off those workers, suddenly they were not enough truck drivers. There hasn't really been this big "I am anti-vax mandate and I'm not working thing" that some people are fantasizing about.
  - petre 5y ago
    I never said anything about mandates in the UK, probably because there weren't any. But they did cut off the truck drivers in a different way and it's not the only labour shortage they'll experience due to brexit. This is how governments create artificial labour shortages.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  I worked in logistics and I can tell you that the vast majority of truckers are vaccinated. I don't think they will throw in the towel. I don't see what happened to the UK happen in Canada.
- defaultname 5y ago
  Every truck union and federation has denounced the protests. Despite the protests, everything is operating logistically completely normally. It isn't "truckers". Some participants brought trucks because they a) have sleeping facilities, b) have big loud horns, c) take a lot of space and are hard to remove. That doesn't make it a trucker protest anymore than someone riding a bicycle there would make it a bicycle protest.
  - nintendo1889 5y ago
    Unions are in bed with the government.
  - ifyoubuildit 5y ago
    How many people that aren't truckers just happen to have that kind of truck laying around for the occasional protest? Are you aware of the cost of a truck like that?
notadev 5y ago
How accurate of a gauge do you think your liberal friends are? I am not as liberal as all of my coworkers seem to be, but implying otherwise would make me feel less certain about keeping my job. Any chance your friends are just conforming to what they assume you think in order to maintain social status or your friendship?
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  My friends aren't only liberal, and most of them aren't from work. I worked for a fair bit in logistics and still have contact with that field, which leans much more to the right, and I haven't heard any support so far.
- defaultname 5y ago
  "Any chance your friends are just conforming" In another post you claimed "seems to be siding with the government because the intent of the protest has been declared wrong-think by the PM" Do you really think this? Do you really just caricaturize people who think differently from you in some easy "but they don't really think that" bin? In another you declared it "boomers". Most of Canada is strongly over mandates. I'm over mandates, and many public agencies have made clear that things are going back to normal. Omicron changed everything. But we don't identify with an *ignorant* group primarily funded by and cheered on by Americans. It is, at its essence, almost traitorous. And again let me say that I lean conservative. BLM protests that get out of hand? SEND IN THE POLICE. Rail blockades that go on for days? SEND IN THE POLICE. If I were in Seattle, the whole CHAZ/CHOP thing would be completely unacceptable. Amazingly I am also fully and completely against some of the most profoundly ignorant people this country hosts, financed by foreigners, terrorizing a city 24/7 (and yes, while you have "seen on Twitter" that the honking stops at 10 -- 105db incessant honking -- it actually happens throughout the day, along with fireworks and loud music), and the only victims are the citizens of Ottawa and Canada. Maybe everyone who thinks differently from you is just a boomer conforming and eagerly consuming what the PM declares "wrong-think". Or maybe your perspective of the world is completely broken.

Anti mandate movements in general have something closer to what you said, but everyone I know that isn't right wing is embarrassed or angry at the convoy, even those who don't like mandates.

throwaway894345 5y ago

That’s interesting. I feel like most of my normie acquaintances don’t really know what’s going on much less have strong feelings. In general I get a sense of disillusionment among my normie/nonpartisan friends with respect to the CDC guidance, vaccine mandates, etc.

sudosysgen 5y ago
It's creeping in here, but it just doesn't translate at all to sympathy to the convoy.
- nintendo1889 5y ago
  You could go live in a concentration camp and get forced experimental treatments, philosophically and metaphorically speaking. Respectfully. I suggest everyone listen to the darkhorse podcast with Weinstein, Malone, and Kirsch. Kirsch did more than just invent the laser mouse.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    I don't really see how that is related to my comment.

petre 5y ago

What other option is there when the government is tone deaf? They do it in France for other things and it's quite legal when there's a union behind it. And what will the government do if the truckers finally throw in the towel like they did in the UK (or maybe it was Polish and other Eastern European truckers who chose to operate on the mainland after Brexit)?

rnk 5y ago
That's not what happened in the UK. There was demand for a lot of truck drivers, in the past there were a lot of immigrants who would work for low wages, but they brilliantly cut off those workers, suddenly they were not enough truck drivers. There hasn't really been this big "I am anti-vax mandate and I'm not working thing" that some people are fantasizing about.
- petre 5y ago
  I never said anything about mandates in the UK, probably because there weren't any. But they did cut off the truck drivers in a different way and it's not the only labour shortage they'll experience due to brexit. This is how governments create artificial labour shortages.
sudosysgen 5y ago
I worked in logistics and I can tell you that the vast majority of truckers are vaccinated. I don't think they will throw in the towel. I don't see what happened to the UK happen in Canada.
defaultname 5y ago
Every truck union and federation has denounced the protests. Despite the protests, everything is operating logistically completely normally. It isn't "truckers". Some participants brought trucks because they a) have sleeping facilities, b) have big loud horns, c) take a lot of space and are hard to remove. That doesn't make it a trucker protest anymore than someone riding a bicycle there would make it a bicycle protest.
- nintendo1889 5y ago
  Unions are in bed with the government.
- ifyoubuildit 5y ago
  How many people that aren't truckers just happen to have that kind of truck laying around for the occasional protest? Are you aware of the cost of a truck like that?

notadev 5y ago

How accurate of a gauge do you think your liberal friends are? I am not as liberal as all of my coworkers seem to be, but implying otherwise would make me feel less certain about keeping my job. Any chance your friends are just conforming to what they assume you think in order to maintain social status or your friendship?

sudosysgen 5y ago
My friends aren't only liberal, and most of them aren't from work. I worked for a fair bit in logistics and still have contact with that field, which leans much more to the right, and I haven't heard any support so far.
defaultname 5y ago
"Any chance your friends are just conforming" In another post you claimed "seems to be siding with the government because the intent of the protest has been declared wrong-think by the PM" Do you really think this? Do you really just caricaturize people who think differently from you in some easy "but they don't really think that" bin? In another you declared it "boomers". Most of Canada is strongly over mandates. I'm over mandates, and many public agencies have made clear that things are going back to normal. Omicron changed everything. But we don't identify with an *ignorant* group primarily funded by and cheered on by Americans. It is, at its essence, almost traitorous. And again let me say that I lean conservative. BLM protests that get out of hand? SEND IN THE POLICE. Rail blockades that go on for days? SEND IN THE POLICE. If I were in Seattle, the whole CHAZ/CHOP thing would be completely unacceptable. Amazingly I am also fully and completely against some of the most profoundly ignorant people this country hosts, financed by foreigners, terrorizing a city 24/7 (and yes, while you have "seen on Twitter" that the honking stops at 10 -- 105db incessant honking -- it actually happens throughout the day, along with fireworks and loud music), and the only victims are the citizens of Ottawa and Canada. Maybe everyone who thinks differently from you is just a boomer conforming and eagerly consuming what the PM declares "wrong-think". Or maybe your perspective of the world is completely broken.