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> Given my low risk from the actual virus ... It's not about your risk, it's about transmission to other people that have a much higher risk profile. [edit]

> Given my low risk from the actual virus ... It's not about your risk, it's about transmission to other people that have a much higher risk profile. [edit] Thanks for the downvotes, confirms that people care less about others than experiencing any inconvenience themselves.

christophilus 5y ago
Everyone transmits the virus. The vaccines don’t do much in that regard, though from what I’ve read. They do a good job of preventing severe disease.
- vvanders 5y ago
  Gonna need to cite some sources there. The current recommendation is to get a booster because it both reduces the severity of the disease and the chance of either catching a breakthrough infection or another variant[1]/[2]. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effective... [2] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...
  - christophilus 5y ago
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2821%2900768-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... I don’t remember where I read it originally, but the lancet is roughly what I recall. It’s not 100% conclusive, but the data seems to point towards roughly the same transmission rate.
    - vvanders 5y ago
      That doesn't track with either the CDC data above, other studies[1] or what we know about other variants. [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1476212140956553222 https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1476212140956553...
  - RedBeetDeadpool 5y ago
vmception 5y ago
That will always be true, and how true that is now is way lower than when nobody was vaccinated. There was only upside, now there is not only upside for a merely marginal potential optimization for higher risk profile people. The current variants are weakened versions of the virus that they are essentially the vaccine.
- vvanders 5y ago
  > The current variants are weakened versions of the virus that they are essentially the vaccine. If that were true we would not be seeing 2,500+ deaths/day in the US which was higher than the initial first wave(2.2k/day) and is approaching the previous peak(~3k/day).
  - vmception 5y ago
    The overwhelming majority of those deaths are not from breakthroughs of double vaccinated or boosted people. So the prior vaccination effort has reached its plateau of interest and efficacy, and thats going to be good enough. As in, it will have to be good enough because thats whats happening. Everyone’s made their bed. So to ask more of the actually compliant people - most of which wouldn't have ever noticed they had covid even during unvaccinated hardcore delta times - is not really that convincing. Even the fear of “long covid” has dissipated, as it looks like that will never be quantified and both vaccinated and unvaccinated have experience with actual covid by now. Add in a slight and unnecessary myocarditis risk and that introduces just enough unnecessary downside to make another shot from two seasonal covids ago a hard pass.

christophilus 5y ago

Everyone transmits the virus. The vaccines don’t do much in that regard, though from what I’ve read. They do a good job of preventing severe disease.

vvanders 5y ago
Gonna need to cite some sources there. The current recommendation is to get a booster because it both reduces the severity of the disease and the chance of either catching a breakthrough infection or another variant[1]/[2]. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effective... [2] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...
- christophilus 5y ago
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2821%2900768-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... I don’t remember where I read it originally, but the lancet is roughly what I recall. It’s not 100% conclusive, but the data seems to point towards roughly the same transmission rate.
  - vvanders 5y ago
    That doesn't track with either the CDC data above, other studies[1] or what we know about other variants. [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1476212140956553222 https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1476212140956553...
- RedBeetDeadpool 5y ago

vmception 5y ago

That will always be true, and how true that is now is way lower than when nobody was vaccinated. There was only upside, now there is not only upside for a merely marginal potential optimization for higher risk profile people. The current variants are weakened versions of the virus that they are essentially the vaccine.

vvanders 5y ago
> The current variants are weakened versions of the virus that they are essentially the vaccine. If that were true we would not be seeing 2,500+ deaths/day in the US which was higher than the initial first wave(2.2k/day) and is approaching the previous peak(~3k/day).
- vmception 5y ago
  The overwhelming majority of those deaths are not from breakthroughs of double vaccinated or boosted people. So the prior vaccination effort has reached its plateau of interest and efficacy, and thats going to be good enough. As in, it will have to be good enough because thats whats happening. Everyone’s made their bed. So to ask more of the actually compliant people - most of which wouldn't have ever noticed they had covid even during unvaccinated hardcore delta times - is not really that convincing. Even the fear of “long covid” has dissipated, as it looks like that will never be quantified and both vaccinated and unvaccinated have experience with actual covid by now. Add in a slight and unnecessary myocarditis risk and that introduces just enough unnecessary downside to make another shot from two seasonal covids ago a hard pass.