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We had a society in which all media was controlled by a handful of corporations who dictated what people saw and thought. That is not by any means a free societ

We had a society in which all media was controlled by a handful of corporations who dictated what people saw and thought. That is not by any means a free society. Then along came Bulletin Board Systems and then the Internet, and all that changed. Legislation like the EARN IT Act is meant to turn back the clock to silence the voice of the people so that, once again, only the voice of the bourgeoisie can be heard.

CRConrad 5y ago
> We had a society in which all media was controlled by a handful of corporations who dictated what people saw and thought. And we still do. Some of the corporations have changed, some are the same. What else is new? > That is not by any means a free society. And it still isn't. No "EARN IT Act" needed for that.
mgerdts 5y ago
I believe that the period you refer to had local newspapers, tv stations, and radio stations that were largely independent from this handful of corporations (ABC, CBS, NBC?). During this period, there was limited opportunity to perform population-wide surveillance on the discussion of this coverage. In those days your TV tended not to be equipped with technology that could report what you watched.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  In those local markets you had reporters who were friends with those in power and very little got reported.
- jackcosgrove 5y ago
  I think it's fair to say that pre-internet, there were fewer media voices but there were a lot, lot fewer attempts at surveillance.
thomassmith65 5y ago
Then along came Bulletin Board Systems and then the Internet, and all that changed. No BBS ever changed diddly squat. Even the internet had minimal impact on politics until the 2000's. The entire comment just sounds like speculation about a time that is, in fact, fairly recent history. We had a society in which all media was controlled by a handful of corporations who dictated what people saw and thought. That only makes sense if you ignore all sorts of pivotal historical events (eg: uprisings and revolutions). Not that I disagree that populist internet media are really contributing to the betterment of mankind /s
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- TrispusAttucks 5y ago
  To the people that participated in the BBS's it meant a lot and changed everything, for them. I imagine they went on to affect change in the lives of those around them even if in a small way. Grass roots, even small, is still an important catalyst for change.
- __MatrixMan__ 5y ago
  I got suspended in 1999 for distributing a copy of the anarchist's cookbook to other middle schoolers. I got it from my brother who got it from a BBS. I don't know what I was playing at, I have no need for making bombs, but at the time it was the coolest thing--media outside of the machine. I can't remember what the rest of my media experience was like (aside from text adventure games over telnet) but I'm pretty sure that the BBS-sourced material stood out to us for a reason.
  - kragen 5y ago
    That's definitely an abridgment of your rights to free speech. The Anarchist Cookbook is an interesting study: prior restraint was never exercised against it because Hoover's FBI decided it was protected by the First Amendment, and it was published by the same (commercial) publisher as Charles Bukowski, The Sensuous Woman, and The Turner Diaries, selling some two million copies in all. But it's so famously terrible that many actual anarchists have questioned whether it was really a false-flag effort aimed at getting would-be terrorists to blow themselves up, and its author was admittedly never an anarchist! In 01999 many people in the US could read The Anarchist Cookbook entirely without leaving a government record simply by walking into an open-stacks public library and reading it off the shelf. Even if you checked the book out from a library branch, librarians did not enter that fact into a centralized database, and were famously reluctant to cooperate with the thoughtcrime-surveillance aspects of the PATRIOT act after 9/11. Today this level of freedom from surveillance is much rarer: you can probably get a copy of the book in 45 seconds, as well as far more reliable and trustworthy information on how to do many terrible things, but there's an excellent chance that the NSA will store a permanent record that you did so in the Utah Data Center. (Even if you use TLS they will probably decrypt that once their quantum computing effort succeeds.) If you walk to the library, Verizon probably stores that fact permanently, unless you leave your cellphone at home; if you drive there, license-plate cameras, wireless toll systems, and possibly OnStar and Tesla record that fact. We saw both of these futures in 01992, but so did the FBI and the NSA. In many countries outside the US, BBSes were in many cases a bigger hole in official censorship regimes than they were in the US.
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CRConrad 5y ago

> We had a society in which all media was controlled by a handful of corporations who dictated what people saw and thought. And we still do. Some of the corporations have changed, some are the same. What else is new? > That is not by any means a free society. And it still isn't. No "EARN IT Act" needed for that.

mgerdts 5y ago

I believe that the period you refer to had local newspapers, tv stations, and radio stations that were largely independent from this handful of corporations (ABC, CBS, NBC?). During this period, there was limited opportunity to perform population-wide surveillance on the discussion of this coverage. In those days your TV tended not to be equipped with technology that could report what you watched.

ipaddr 5y ago
In those local markets you had reporters who were friends with those in power and very little got reported.
jackcosgrove 5y ago
I think it's fair to say that pre-internet, there were fewer media voices but there were a lot, lot fewer attempts at surveillance.

thomassmith65 5y ago

Then along came Bulletin Board Systems and then the Internet, and all that changed. No BBS ever changed diddly squat. Even the internet had minimal impact on politics until the 2000's. The entire comment just sounds like speculation about a time that is, in fact, fairly recent history. We had a society in which all media was controlled by a handful of corporations who dictated what people saw and thought. That only makes sense if you ignore all sorts of pivotal historical events (eg: uprisings and revolutions). Not that I disagree that populist internet media are really contributing to the betterment of mankind /s

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TrispusAttucks 5y ago
To the people that participated in the BBS's it meant a lot and changed everything, for them. I imagine they went on to affect change in the lives of those around them even if in a small way. Grass roots, even small, is still an important catalyst for change.
__MatrixMan__ 5y ago
I got suspended in 1999 for distributing a copy of the anarchist's cookbook to other middle schoolers. I got it from my brother who got it from a BBS. I don't know what I was playing at, I have no need for making bombs, but at the time it was the coolest thing--media outside of the machine. I can't remember what the rest of my media experience was like (aside from text adventure games over telnet) but I'm pretty sure that the BBS-sourced material stood out to us for a reason.
- kragen 5y ago
  That's definitely an abridgment of your rights to free speech. The Anarchist Cookbook is an interesting study: prior restraint was never exercised against it because Hoover's FBI decided it was protected by the First Amendment, and it was published by the same (commercial) publisher as Charles Bukowski, The Sensuous Woman, and The Turner Diaries, selling some two million copies in all. But it's so famously terrible that many actual anarchists have questioned whether it was really a false-flag effort aimed at getting would-be terrorists to blow themselves up, and its author was admittedly never an anarchist! In 01999 many people in the US could read The Anarchist Cookbook entirely without leaving a government record simply by walking into an open-stacks public library and reading it off the shelf. Even if you checked the book out from a library branch, librarians did not enter that fact into a centralized database, and were famously reluctant to cooperate with the thoughtcrime-surveillance aspects of the PATRIOT act after 9/11. Today this level of freedom from surveillance is much rarer: you can probably get a copy of the book in 45 seconds, as well as far more reliable and trustworthy information on how to do many terrible things, but there's an excellent chance that the NSA will store a permanent record that you did so in the Utah Data Center. (Even if you use TLS they will probably decrypt that once their quantum computing effort succeeds.) If you walk to the library, Verizon probably stores that fact permanently, unless you leave your cellphone at home; if you drive there, license-plate cameras, wireless toll systems, and possibly OnStar and Tesla record that fact. We saw both of these futures in 01992, but so did the FBI and the NSA. In many countries outside the US, BBSes were in many cases a bigger hole in official censorship regimes than they were in the US.

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