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> how does protesting COVID mandates Uhh, I think calling for the overthrowing of the federal government[0] is a little more than just protesting a covid manda

• s1artibartfast 5y ago
  This is one of the most hyperbolic claims. Overthrow the government in this case means publicly and commit to repealing mandates, and set up a citizen group to review policy. Similar requests of governments happen every year in western countries. There are citizen oversight groups set up for failing school districts, police departments, and the environment. None of these Re overthrowing the government
  • culi 5y ago
    > One of the main groups behind the protest is Canada Unity, which has opposed what it says are “unconstitutional” Covid rules. The group recently posted a “memorandum of understanding” to its website, saying that members plan to present it to politicians on Parliament Hill. The group claims that the leader of the senate and the governor general will sign the document to create a governing committee, which they claim would work to revoke the vaccine mandate. This is literally their demand
    • xboxnolifes 5y ago
      How is working with the government toward your goal "overthrowing the government"?
      • thoughtstheseus 5y ago
        Democracy? It’s similar to revolution but without the violence.
        • aksss 5y ago
          Well, the media can’t spend two years telling people that riot and protest are legitimate forms of expression when feeling disenfranchised and then act shocked when all political demographics follow suit (J6, truckers). Want things to calm down? There’s a way to deescalate, but I don’t think the media is a friend in this story - they have a profit incentive to stir up chaos and disorder. People are increasingly losing confidence in elections - the right response isn’t to tell people to shut up, loosen controls and gerrymander, it’s to double up transparency and audits. People are losing confidence in institutional authority - the right response isn’t a public/private alliance on overt censorship, it’s less censorship and encouraging open debate. People feel mandates cause more harm than benefit now and are pissed about the prospect of eternal emergency powers. What’s the right response, Justin, calling in the military?? People increasingly feel the institutional “leaders” are incompetent, full of shit, and focused on the wrong priorities. Very dangerous to have loss of faith in elections concurrently with unsatisfactory office holders.
      • culi 5y ago
        > create a governing committee
    • s1artibartfast 5y ago
      I started a reply but realize I was just repeating what I said before. This isn't radical. Organized protests for hundreds of years have demanded public written concession. This is the norm and what organized protest looks like
      • culi 5y ago
        They want to create a governing committee that is above the power of the government... that's pretty far from "demanding public written concession" That's creating an alternative government
        • s1artibartfast 5y ago
          Nobody said anything about above the government.. If my city sets up a school board, that isn't a replacement government or above the power of the government. Governments delegate power to panels and empowers them to make decisions on their behalf every day. Asking a government to set up a group to make decisions is not Revolution
          • culi 5y ago
            You can just read it for yourself: https://canada-unity.com/mou/ https://canada-unity.com/mou/ > SCGGC will effective as of midnight on this ___, day of ___________, 2021,instruct all levels of the Federal, Provincial, Territorial, and Municipal governments to re-instate all employees in all branches of governments and, not limited to promote the same to the private industry and institutional sectors employees with full lawful employment rights prior to the wrongful and unlawful dismissals that stem from the SARS-CoV-2 (and not limited to SARS-CoV-2 subsequent variations) vaccine passport mandates Not only do they want full control of all levels of government, but they also want to be able to tell all private companies that they need to rehire people fired
            • s1artibartfast 5y ago
              I have, that's why I wrote my original post that overthrow is a ridiculous claim. I dont think you understand it. The SCGGC is the currently existing and only government of Canada. CU (the protesters) are asking it to use its powers to do something. In your quote, they are asking the SCGGC to use its power to stop and reverse all SARS-CoV-2 firings. They are also asking to SCGGC to agree to set up a committee (CCC) with no powers that will be used to share schedules for the covid policy reversal and issue joint statements about the mandates lifting