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My experience has been essentially the opposite of the person you're replying to. Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same

My experience has been essentially the opposite of the person you're replying to. Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Immediate care for actual emergencies, I've been seen right away. It's a triage system, so if you go to the emergency department at the hospital with the sniffles you could wait a bunch of hours. Yes, there's a huge housing crisis and yes it's an area of concern. There's some issues here in that the real difference-makers are controlled by cities. There's a LOT of NIMBYism. I haven't really seen evidence of Canada "crumbling"; just a lot of people pushing that narrative whenever they're despairing over their own fortunes. Could it be better? Absolutely.

Mikeb85 5y ago
> Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Try living outside Canada. I used to think healthcare was great as a young male... (men typically don't interact with the healthcare system as often as women for biological reasons) My girlfriend is pregnant. She's from the Czech Republic. We were just in the Czech Republic for 2 months. 3 weeks for non-urgent tests? Try a day. As in phone the clinic, get a test for the NEXT day. During the Omicron wave. She had bloodwork done, an ultrasound, x-ray for a foot injury, treatment for said injury, dental work done, etc... No wait times for anything. No wait times at the clinic. No need for a primary care doctor (something which many Canadians don't have because of a shortage of doctors). Canadians take the sad state of affairs as normal and actually believe our government's propaganda that the rest of the world works the same way. It doesn't. > I haven't really seen evidence of Canada "crumbling" Go to another developed country. Live for awhile. The only people who think Canada's doing OK are the ones who never left. And on an individual level; any country is great if you have enough money. Doesn't mean society is OK.
- BeefWellington 5y ago
  > My girlfriend is pregnant. She's from the Czech Republic. We were just in the Czech Republic for 2 months. 3 weeks for non-urgent tests? Try a day. As in phone the clinic, get a test for the NEXT day. During the Omicron wave. She had bloodwork done, an ultrasound, x-ray for a foot injury, treatment for said injury, dental work done, etc... No wait times for anything. No wait times at the clinic. No need for a primary care doctor (something which many Canadians don't have because of a shortage of doctors). My partner had a similar experience when she went through her pregnancy during the first wave of covid (when everything was less certain). A pregnant woman is going to always have things like soft tissue ultrasounds before a guy with a light sports injury (my example of having to wait 3 weeks). Your pregnant partner and I with a light sports injury are, in no good healthcare system, going to be given equal priority. For an actual important scan like an X-Ray of a broken bone, it's always been immediate. > Go to another developed country. Live for awhile. The only people who think Canada's doing OK are the ones who never left. This is an awful assumption to make of anyone, especially anyone in a tech forum online IME. We're one of the most mobile workforces. I've absolutely lived and worked for lengthy stretches in other countries and experienced life there. I've obviously not lived everywhere but I suspect almost every country has its own pain points. It's clear from your various posts though that you're stumping for the Czech Republic, and that's great, I'm glad you found a spot to make you happy.
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  I am sure Czech healthcare system has been subjectively better in your experience. But I hesitate to call it objectively better than Canada's, given that life expectancy at birth is 3 years shorter in Czechia compared to Canada. Something must be causing the disparity, and usually that tends to be the healthcare.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    I can tell you why the disparity: many Czechs who are still alive were born and raised under communism and carry all the generational trauma caused by growing up under poverty and dictatorships. As a country it wasn't really 'developed' until quite recently. And, well, old people are the most likely to die, for obvious reasons. Funny enough, Czech life expectancy at 60 is exactly 3 years less than Canada's. Meanwhile there's no way to truly measure the life expectancy of someone born today. But if you go check metrics like doctors per capita, beds per capita, how many clinics there are, insurance coverage, etc..., it's shocking. Twice as many doctors per capita as Canada, for example. Edit - for example, under 5 year old mortality rate for Czech Republic is 3.2 per 1000 while for Canada it's 4.9...

Mikeb85 5y ago

> Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Try living outside Canada. I used to think healthcare was great as a young male... (men typically don't interact with the healthcare system as often as women for biological reasons) My girlfriend is pregnant. She's from the Czech Republic. We were just in the Czech Republic for 2 months. 3 weeks for non-urgent tests? Try a day. As in phone the clinic, get a test for the NEXT day. During the Omicron wave. She had bloodwork done, an ultrasound, x-ray for a foot injury, treatment for said injury, dental work done, etc... No wait times for anything. No wait times at the clinic. No need for a primary care doctor (something which many Canadians don't have because of a shortage of doctors). Canadians take the sad state of affairs as normal and actually believe our government's propaganda that the rest of the world works the same way. It doesn't. > I haven't really seen evidence of Canada "crumbling" Go to another developed country. Live for awhile. The only people who think Canada's doing OK are the ones who never left. And on an individual level; any country is great if you have enough money. Doesn't mean society is OK.

BeefWellington 5y ago
> My girlfriend is pregnant. She's from the Czech Republic. We were just in the Czech Republic for 2 months. 3 weeks for non-urgent tests? Try a day. As in phone the clinic, get a test for the NEXT day. During the Omicron wave. She had bloodwork done, an ultrasound, x-ray for a foot injury, treatment for said injury, dental work done, etc... No wait times for anything. No wait times at the clinic. No need for a primary care doctor (something which many Canadians don't have because of a shortage of doctors). My partner had a similar experience when she went through her pregnancy during the first wave of covid (when everything was less certain). A pregnant woman is going to always have things like soft tissue ultrasounds before a guy with a light sports injury (my example of having to wait 3 weeks). Your pregnant partner and I with a light sports injury are, in no good healthcare system, going to be given equal priority. For an actual important scan like an X-Ray of a broken bone, it's always been immediate. > Go to another developed country. Live for awhile. The only people who think Canada's doing OK are the ones who never left. This is an awful assumption to make of anyone, especially anyone in a tech forum online IME. We're one of the most mobile workforces. I've absolutely lived and worked for lengthy stretches in other countries and experienced life there. I've obviously not lived everywhere but I suspect almost every country has its own pain points. It's clear from your various posts though that you're stumping for the Czech Republic, and that's great, I'm glad you found a spot to make you happy.
smnrchrds 5y ago
I am sure Czech healthcare system has been subjectively better in your experience. But I hesitate to call it objectively better than Canada's, given that life expectancy at birth is 3 years shorter in Czechia compared to Canada. Something must be causing the disparity, and usually that tends to be the healthcare.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  I can tell you why the disparity: many Czechs who are still alive were born and raised under communism and carry all the generational trauma caused by growing up under poverty and dictatorships. As a country it wasn't really 'developed' until quite recently. And, well, old people are the most likely to die, for obvious reasons. Funny enough, Czech life expectancy at 60 is exactly 3 years less than Canada's. Meanwhile there's no way to truly measure the life expectancy of someone born today. But if you go check metrics like doctors per capita, beds per capita, how many clinics there are, insurance coverage, etc..., it's shocking. Twice as many doctors per capita as Canada, for example. Edit - for example, under 5 year old mortality rate for Czech Republic is 3.2 per 1000 while for Canada it's 4.9...