4 ms·

Good. Education is ripe for disruption. The US should move to a South Korean model where a few very good superstar teachers lecture thousands of students simul

Good. Education is ripe for disruption. The US should move to a South Korean model where a few very good superstar teachers lecture thousands of students simultaneously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrDfCy5Q9wI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrDfCy5Q9wI

pydry 5y ago
I guess that could work if most of those students never had to ask a question ever again.
- pavel_lishin 5y ago
  Or had any unique or special needs.
- truffdog 5y ago
  Questions are overrated. Most people will never ask for social reasons, and most of the time either the teacher won't understand the question or the student won't understand the answer. You can't really learn with an audience.
  - some0x80070005 5y ago
    It’s one thing to suggest the Socratic method may not be the best learning strategy, but it’s quite another to suggest that questions are overrated. Questions are so fundamental to increasing our knowledge in an intuitive way - just look at Stack Overflow, Quora, etc. for the success in helping people find answers (of decidedly varying quality). There is no limit to creative questions a group of people can ask but there is a limit to how much a single human thinks they know about a subject or can write in a single lecture, article, or book.
  - sjtindell 5y ago
    I totally disagree and I feel like the only real value I got from schooling was being able to go and ask my teachers tons of questions any time.
    - nemo44x 5y ago
      What if you were distracting and slowing down many other students? I think there’s ways to address the need to ask questions here. Forums and discussion pods for instance.
mythrwy 5y ago
In the USA though we'd need another couple hundred "enforcers" to make sure kids stayed in their seats and didn't hit one another during lecture. And that (in my opinion) may be part of the reason so many teachers are leaving the field. Teaching is very rewarding, playing social service aid giver and municipal cop not as much.
tomdell 5y ago
Individualized attention and small class sizes are important for socializing and educating children.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  You can do both. Flipped classroom, where the students watch video lectures ahead of time on their own schedule, and the time in the classroom is for supplemental recitation sessions and/or getting practice with the material.
  - watwut 5y ago
    That is just bullshit buzzword. Overwhelming majority of classes involve both exercises and lecture like segments. They switch. Plus, watching and reading stuff does not mean teacher can skip it. It still needs to be said again, either because many kids read only half of it or because they forgot it all due to not switching between active and passive learning by themselves.
  - asdff 5y ago
    I can't even get undergrads who are paying thousands a year to do the readings ahead of discussion sections.
    - HarryHirsch 5y ago
      Jeff Bezos can't get his employees to do the same, apparently. That's why meetings at Amazon start with a reading period, to ensure that everyone has read the memo that's on the agenda. The "flipped classroom" is an edfad than only works in advanced courses. Even worse: process-oriented guided inquiry with students who don't want to be there.
      - zozbot234 5y ago
        Even if the students won't do their homework, they're better off doing discussion and practice in the classroom than just lectures.

pydry 5y ago

I guess that could work if most of those students never had to ask a question ever again.

pavel_lishin 5y ago
Or had any unique or special needs.
truffdog 5y ago
Questions are overrated. Most people will never ask for social reasons, and most of the time either the teacher won't understand the question or the student won't understand the answer. You can't really learn with an audience.
- some0x80070005 5y ago
  It’s one thing to suggest the Socratic method may not be the best learning strategy, but it’s quite another to suggest that questions are overrated. Questions are so fundamental to increasing our knowledge in an intuitive way - just look at Stack Overflow, Quora, etc. for the success in helping people find answers (of decidedly varying quality). There is no limit to creative questions a group of people can ask but there is a limit to how much a single human thinks they know about a subject or can write in a single lecture, article, or book.
- sjtindell 5y ago
  I totally disagree and I feel like the only real value I got from schooling was being able to go and ask my teachers tons of questions any time.
  - nemo44x 5y ago
    What if you were distracting and slowing down many other students? I think there’s ways to address the need to ask questions here. Forums and discussion pods for instance.

mythrwy 5y ago

In the USA though we'd need another couple hundred "enforcers" to make sure kids stayed in their seats and didn't hit one another during lecture. And that (in my opinion) may be part of the reason so many teachers are leaving the field. Teaching is very rewarding, playing social service aid giver and municipal cop not as much.

tomdell 5y ago

Individualized attention and small class sizes are important for socializing and educating children.

zozbot234 5y ago
You can do both. Flipped classroom, where the students watch video lectures ahead of time on their own schedule, and the time in the classroom is for supplemental recitation sessions and/or getting practice with the material.
- watwut 5y ago
  That is just bullshit buzzword. Overwhelming majority of classes involve both exercises and lecture like segments. They switch. Plus, watching and reading stuff does not mean teacher can skip it. It still needs to be said again, either because many kids read only half of it or because they forgot it all due to not switching between active and passive learning by themselves.
- asdff 5y ago
  I can't even get undergrads who are paying thousands a year to do the readings ahead of discussion sections.
  - HarryHirsch 5y ago
    Jeff Bezos can't get his employees to do the same, apparently. That's why meetings at Amazon start with a reading period, to ensure that everyone has read the memo that's on the agenda. The "flipped classroom" is an edfad than only works in advanced courses. Even worse: process-oriented guided inquiry with students who don't want to be there.
    - zozbot234 5y ago
      Even if the students won't do their homework, they're better off doing discussion and practice in the classroom than just lectures.