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The blatant misinformation is this thread is astounding. If you think this is “just a protest”, you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on If y

The blatant misinformation is this thread is astounding. If you think this is “just a protest”, you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on If you think vaccines are being forced on anyone, you have no clue what’s going on in Canada. If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities. The comments in this thread read like a typical unhinged Fox News comment section. To see this crap on HN is so disappointing.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
Define “forced.” Your answer will speak volumes.
- PierceJoy 5y ago
  Your comment already spoke volumes. Remember when conservatives used to talk about choices having consequences? Funny how they they don’t seem to like that concept when it’s inconvenient for them.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    Choices do have consequences, but that does not mean those consequences are just, or that someone can just say those are the consequences take-it-or-suffer.
    - PierceJoy 5y ago
      Like I said, we've had vaccine and testing requirements for many jobs for decades. No one lost their mind. You are being manipulated by right wing politicians.
      - gjsman-1000 5y ago
        What we did in the past does not negate the right for anyone to be skeptical about future inventions and developments. Also, it is very presumptive of you to believe that I must listen to or am swayed by politicians to hold such beliefs.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  Okay, you’ve defined forced elsewhere: “That is not being forced. That is called choice. Choices have consequences.” That’s literally forced but in an nonviolent matter. Kind of like how people can be correctly be called “forced” to file tax returns in the US. They are forced, stop playing word games.
  - pixl97 5y ago
    "Libertarians forced to use public highways. Oh the humanity"
  - PierceJoy 5y ago
    I'm not familiar with the US tax laws, but in Canada if you don't file a tax return and don't owe money, there are no consequences. If you owe money, and do not pay, eventually you will end up in jail. That's actually being forced, and makes this a terrible analogy. If someone is fired from the military for not getting a non-covid vaccine, are they being forced to get the vaccine? They are not being forced. Stop playing word games.
    - dang 5y ago
      Please omit flamewar swipes from your comments here. Your comment would be fine without the last sentence. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - gjsman-1000 5y ago
      In the US, everyone must file a tax return if they have anything over $12,000+ in income. If you don’t, you could get arrested. That is rightfully called forced, because the threat is that you will lose your livelihood if you don’t file. Nobody would call living in jail a real choice. Similarly, if you don’t take the vaccine, you are also losing your livelihood in the military, possibly having no way to provide for your family outside the military, and this can be rightfully called forced.
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blast 5y ago
As I understand it, the convoy was sparked by a decree that truckers crossing the US/Canada border would have to either be vaccinated or go into 14 days of quarantine. The latter would effectively take away the livelihood of anyone whose job involved doing that frequently. I don't think it's very useful to argue that taking away someone's livelihood isn't "force", or to argue that people are just "choosing" to lose their livelihood. Sure it's not physical force but it's a pretty extreme level of coercion, and it's perfectly easy to understand both why people in that position would turn to their democratic right to protest, and also why a whole lot of vaccinated and pro-vaccine people would support them.
- PierceJoy 5y ago
  Your only taking away someone’s livelihood if being an unvaccinated trucker is their only option. The vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require a vaccine. Choices have consequences. Mandatory school vaccinations, mandatory military vaccinations, mandatory drug testing in many jobs, etc. Why did no one lose their minds over those things?
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    This vaccine uses a different technology than all previous vaccines. It bears almost nothing in common technologically with previous vaccines. As such extra skepticism is permissible.
    - PierceJoy 5y ago
      This is just vaccine misinformation. Anti vaxxers will already have some excuse for why "this" vaccine is different.
      - gjsman-1000 5y ago
        This is scientific fact. mRNA is completely different in operation than older degraded-virus vaccines, and to say otherwise is misinformation. The only things they have in common is the name and the end goal.
pessimizer 5y ago
> If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities. So Gofundme gets to turn all the funds into "excess" funds?
- culi 5y ago
  Per GFM's standard procedures, which the organizers agreed to when setting up the gofundme, when a gfm gets cancelled, donators have a certain amount of time to ask for refunds. The leftover money that wasn't refunded goes to charities of the choosing of the organizers of the gfm
  - deleted 5y ago
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- PierceJoy 5y ago
  You're surprised GFM refused to fund an occupation of the nation's capitol? The charities were being selected by the organizers.
rizTay 5y ago
diego_moita 5y ago
The irony of it all is that all this noise is just for American consumption. Trudeau and the Liberals are loving the damage "The Honkening" causes to the Conservative brand. Erin O'Toole spent the last election trying to convince Canadians that the Conservative Party of Canada is civilized and not a tribe from Trumpistan. That has all gone down the drain, the CPC kicked O'Toole out and the party is about to swallow the Trump bait, hook and line. Even populist conservatives like Doug Ford (Ontario's premier) can see this. Meanwhile, the Liberal Party of Canada is just giggling and partying as quietly as they can contain themselves.
FpUser 5y ago
>"If you think vaccines are being forced on anyone, you have no clue what’s going on in Canada." Yes vaccines are being forced - how else a threat to loose your job can be called. And yes I live in Canada. >"you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on" Do we have a clue about what's really going on in the rest of the world? We do not but it never stops people including HN crowd from judging. I bet you are guilty of that too.
- PierceJoy 5y ago
  > Yes vaccines are being forced - how else a threat to loose your job can be called. And yes I live in Canada. I call that a choice. Parent's have a choice to vaccinate or homeschool. Military members have a choice to non-covid vaccine or not be a service member. No one was losing their minds over that. There are many jobs available that don't require a vaccine. > Do we have a clue about what's really going on in the rest of the world? We can just listen to people who live in Ottawa. Among others, the mayor has been pretty clear what's going on.

gjsman-1000 5y ago

Define “forced.” Your answer will speak volumes.

PierceJoy 5y ago
Your comment already spoke volumes. Remember when conservatives used to talk about choices having consequences? Funny how they they don’t seem to like that concept when it’s inconvenient for them.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  Choices do have consequences, but that does not mean those consequences are just, or that someone can just say those are the consequences take-it-or-suffer.
  - PierceJoy 5y ago
    Like I said, we've had vaccine and testing requirements for many jobs for decades. No one lost their mind. You are being manipulated by right wing politicians.
    - gjsman-1000 5y ago
      What we did in the past does not negate the right for anyone to be skeptical about future inventions and developments. Also, it is very presumptive of you to believe that I must listen to or am swayed by politicians to hold such beliefs.
gjsman-1000 5y ago
Okay, you’ve defined forced elsewhere: “That is not being forced. That is called choice. Choices have consequences.” That’s literally forced but in an nonviolent matter. Kind of like how people can be correctly be called “forced” to file tax returns in the US. They are forced, stop playing word games.
- pixl97 5y ago
  "Libertarians forced to use public highways. Oh the humanity"
- PierceJoy 5y ago
  I'm not familiar with the US tax laws, but in Canada if you don't file a tax return and don't owe money, there are no consequences. If you owe money, and do not pay, eventually you will end up in jail. That's actually being forced, and makes this a terrible analogy. If someone is fired from the military for not getting a non-covid vaccine, are they being forced to get the vaccine? They are not being forced. Stop playing word games.
  - dang 5y ago
    Please omit flamewar swipes from your comments here. Your comment would be fine without the last sentence. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    In the US, everyone must file a tax return if they have anything over $12,000+ in income. If you don’t, you could get arrested. That is rightfully called forced, because the threat is that you will lose your livelihood if you don’t file. Nobody would call living in jail a real choice. Similarly, if you don’t take the vaccine, you are also losing your livelihood in the military, possibly having no way to provide for your family outside the military, and this can be rightfully called forced.
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blast 5y ago

As I understand it, the convoy was sparked by a decree that truckers crossing the US/Canada border would have to either be vaccinated or go into 14 days of quarantine. The latter would effectively take away the livelihood of anyone whose job involved doing that frequently. I don't think it's very useful to argue that taking away someone's livelihood isn't "force", or to argue that people are just "choosing" to lose their livelihood. Sure it's not physical force but it's a pretty extreme level of coercion, and it's perfectly easy to understand both why people in that position would turn to their democratic right to protest, and also why a whole lot of vaccinated and pro-vaccine people would support them.

PierceJoy 5y ago
Your only taking away someone’s livelihood if being an unvaccinated trucker is their only option. The vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require a vaccine. Choices have consequences. Mandatory school vaccinations, mandatory military vaccinations, mandatory drug testing in many jobs, etc. Why did no one lose their minds over those things?
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  This vaccine uses a different technology than all previous vaccines. It bears almost nothing in common technologically with previous vaccines. As such extra skepticism is permissible.
  - PierceJoy 5y ago
    This is just vaccine misinformation. Anti vaxxers will already have some excuse for why "this" vaccine is different.
    - gjsman-1000 5y ago
      This is scientific fact. mRNA is completely different in operation than older degraded-virus vaccines, and to say otherwise is misinformation. The only things they have in common is the name and the end goal.

pessimizer 5y ago

> If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities. So Gofundme gets to turn all the funds into "excess" funds?

culi 5y ago
Per GFM's standard procedures, which the organizers agreed to when setting up the gofundme, when a gfm gets cancelled, donators have a certain amount of time to ask for refunds. The leftover money that wasn't refunded goes to charities of the choosing of the organizers of the gfm
- deleted 5y ago
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PierceJoy 5y ago
You're surprised GFM refused to fund an occupation of the nation's capitol? The charities were being selected by the organizers.

rizTay 5y ago

diego_moita 5y ago

The irony of it all is that all this noise is just for American consumption. Trudeau and the Liberals are loving the damage "The Honkening" causes to the Conservative brand. Erin O'Toole spent the last election trying to convince Canadians that the Conservative Party of Canada is civilized and not a tribe from Trumpistan. That has all gone down the drain, the CPC kicked O'Toole out and the party is about to swallow the Trump bait, hook and line. Even populist conservatives like Doug Ford (Ontario's premier) can see this. Meanwhile, the Liberal Party of Canada is just giggling and partying as quietly as they can contain themselves.

FpUser 5y ago

>"If you think vaccines are being forced on anyone, you have no clue what’s going on in Canada." Yes vaccines are being forced - how else a threat to loose your job can be called. And yes I live in Canada. >"you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on" Do we have a clue about what's really going on in the rest of the world? We do not but it never stops people including HN crowd from judging. I bet you are guilty of that too.

PierceJoy 5y ago
> Yes vaccines are being forced - how else a threat to loose your job can be called. And yes I live in Canada. I call that a choice. Parent's have a choice to vaccinate or homeschool. Military members have a choice to non-covid vaccine or not be a service member. No one was losing their minds over that. There are many jobs available that don't require a vaccine. > Do we have a clue about what's really going on in the rest of the world? We can just listen to people who live in Ottawa. Among others, the mayor has been pretty clear what's going on.