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It is literally, by every definition, an occupation. People came in and brought homes with them (sleeper cabs, RVs, etc). Now they have set up permanent struct

It is literally, by every definition, an occupation. People came in and brought homes with them (sleeper cabs, RVs, etc). Now they have set up permanent structures such as kitchens and other facilities (today they brought in a sauna), and have been stating repeatedly that they are in for the long haul. There is a reason that's called an occupation. A protest is normally a discomfort for the protester. Enduring the elements. Going without. But waving a flag and chanting slogans that convey a message. Here we have a bunch of people in transport trucks blasting their horn 24/7.

notadev 5y ago
Are you being truthful about the 24/7 horn blasting? I’ve seen reports on Twitter that the convoy stops horns at 10 PM because they’re not protesting the Canadian people/Ottawa citizens. Is there any video of the horns honking 24/7?
gjsman-1000 5y ago
GoFundMe literally had no problem with CHAZ/CHOP and BLM protest funding in the middle of a pandemic.
- defaultname 5y ago
  So we agree, GFM should have nothing to do with any occupation, right? You agree with this, correct? You think that I'm some sort of partisan in this -- perhaps a projection -- and you caught me in hypocrisy. But you didn't. Financing protests is an incredibly dangerous game. I was against BLM justified violence and looting, as well as the various "free" zones. I was against the railway blockades in Canada (due to complex aboriginal issues) I am against the trucker occupations and criminal harassment of the citizens of Ottawa and other jurisdictions (and I think they should be layered with so many fines their trucks become the property of the state). I'm remarkably consistent on this. Law and order is good. Democracy is good.
  - jterrys 5y ago
    - dang 5y ago
      Please omit personal swipes from your comments here. Your post would be fine without the first sentence.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - Wiseacre 5y ago
    You may have trapped yourself in a different web of hypocritical rhetoric: Would you also be against civil rights sit-ins and GoFundMe being used to support those?
    - defaultname 5y ago
      It's hypocritical because of something you imagined? Why would a sit-in, or any similar event, EVER need sponsorship? When has it ever needed sponsorship?
      - refurb 5y ago
        Very impressive dodge of the question. Let’s say a sit in did need support. Do you think that’s a valid use of GoFundMe?
        defaultname 5y ago
        Is this what your rhetoric is reduced to? Demanding that people answer for invented, imaginary hypocrisy? I didn't "dodge" a completely stupid, manufactured question because I have literally no onus to answer it. GFM shouldn't be used to sponsor *ANY* protest. I've said that REPEATEDLY, and consistently. A protest that needs sponsorship is not a legitimate protest.
throwaway894345 5y ago
Maybe, but if the popular discourse doesn’t use the word “occupation” for the likes of CHAZ, then I think it’s fair to avoid it here as well. We should strive toward fairness and away from partisan favoritism IMHO.
- defaultname 5y ago
  Everyone referred to the Seattle occupation as an occupation. They literally called it the "Capital Hill Occupied Protest". A simple Google search finds endless pages of media reports calling it an occupation.
salawat 5y ago
So wait... Just to be clear: Are you asserting that the fact people are building/taking into account logistics to protest for the long haul with regards to something they vehemently disagree with detracts from the legitimacy of the act of protesting? If so, wow. That's low-key\backhand authoritarian to a T; defining legitimate protest as something that isn't in the grand scheme of things effective at disrupting something enough people disagree with, and anything that does make a dent either terrorism or something else.
- defaultname 5y ago
  "So wait... Just to be clear" The intro to an always disingenuous comment. "If so, wow." Yet more. Protests throughout time have been at hardship and discomfort of the participants. When your "protest" are sleeper cabs (in vehicles regulated through monopoly by the government, which seems like an easy lever) and hotel rooms, now with saunas and food prep rooms, funded by the American right, and your "protest" is laying on horns 24/7, there is zero legitimacy there. Canada had railway blockades in early 2020 that were groups of people literally sitting in the cold for days on end on railway tracks. And the interesting paradox is that the Canadian "right" were demanding that the police go full stormtrooper on them. Now this same group is cheering on parking a transport truck in the middle of the road and blasting horns around the clock. Bizarre times.
  - notadev 5y ago
    Since when was the efficiency of how a group protested used to determine the validity of a protest? Slacktivism, or using social media to protest, generally costs participants nothing in the way of comfort. Neither does walking in a street on a beautiful day in the summer chanting one’s beliefs. Is there any video evidence of honking horns all night? I’ve read on Twitter that they stop honking at 10PM because they are not protesting the Ottawa citizens. This is a legitimate protest by workers and the side that is usually pro-worker seems to be siding with the government because the intent of the protest has been declared wrong-think by the PM.

notadev 5y ago

Are you being truthful about the 24/7 horn blasting? I’ve seen reports on Twitter that the convoy stops horns at 10 PM because they’re not protesting the Canadian people/Ottawa citizens. Is there any video of the horns honking 24/7?

gjsman-1000 5y ago

GoFundMe literally had no problem with CHAZ/CHOP and BLM protest funding in the middle of a pandemic.

defaultname 5y ago
So we agree, GFM should have nothing to do with any occupation, right? You agree with this, correct? You think that I'm some sort of partisan in this -- perhaps a projection -- and you caught me in hypocrisy. But you didn't. Financing protests is an incredibly dangerous game. I was against BLM justified violence and looting, as well as the various "free" zones. I was against the railway blockades in Canada (due to complex aboriginal issues) I am against the trucker occupations and criminal harassment of the citizens of Ottawa and other jurisdictions (and I think they should be layered with so many fines their trucks become the property of the state). I'm remarkably consistent on this. Law and order is good. Democracy is good.
- jterrys 5y ago
  - dang 5y ago
    Please omit personal swipes from your comments here. Your post would be fine without the first sentence.
- deleted 5y ago
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- Wiseacre 5y ago
  You may have trapped yourself in a different web of hypocritical rhetoric: Would you also be against civil rights sit-ins and GoFundMe being used to support those?
  - defaultname 5y ago
    It's hypocritical because of something you imagined? Why would a sit-in, or any similar event, EVER need sponsorship? When has it ever needed sponsorship?
    - refurb 5y ago
      Very impressive dodge of the question. Let’s say a sit in did need support. Do you think that’s a valid use of GoFundMe?
      - defaultname 5y ago
        Is this what your rhetoric is reduced to? Demanding that people answer for invented, imaginary hypocrisy? I didn't "dodge" a completely stupid, manufactured question because I have literally no onus to answer it. GFM shouldn't be used to sponsor *ANY* protest. I've said that REPEATEDLY, and consistently. A protest that needs sponsorship is not a legitimate protest.

throwaway894345 5y ago

Maybe, but if the popular discourse doesn’t use the word “occupation” for the likes of CHAZ, then I think it’s fair to avoid it here as well. We should strive toward fairness and away from partisan favoritism IMHO.

defaultname 5y ago
Everyone referred to the Seattle occupation as an occupation. They literally called it the "Capital Hill Occupied Protest". A simple Google search finds endless pages of media reports calling it an occupation.

salawat 5y ago

So wait... Just to be clear: Are you asserting that the fact people are building/taking into account logistics to protest for the long haul with regards to something they vehemently disagree with detracts from the legitimacy of the act of protesting? If so, wow. That's low-key\backhand authoritarian to a T; defining legitimate protest as something that isn't in the grand scheme of things effective at disrupting something enough people disagree with, and anything that does make a dent either terrorism or something else.

defaultname 5y ago
"So wait... Just to be clear" The intro to an always disingenuous comment. "If so, wow." Yet more. Protests throughout time have been at hardship and discomfort of the participants. When your "protest" are sleeper cabs (in vehicles regulated through monopoly by the government, which seems like an easy lever) and hotel rooms, now with saunas and food prep rooms, funded by the American right, and your "protest" is laying on horns 24/7, there is zero legitimacy there. Canada had railway blockades in early 2020 that were groups of people literally sitting in the cold for days on end on railway tracks. And the interesting paradox is that the Canadian "right" were demanding that the police go full stormtrooper on them. Now this same group is cheering on parking a transport truck in the middle of the road and blasting horns around the clock. Bizarre times.
- notadev 5y ago
  Since when was the efficiency of how a group protested used to determine the validity of a protest? Slacktivism, or using social media to protest, generally costs participants nothing in the way of comfort. Neither does walking in a street on a beautiful day in the summer chanting one’s beliefs. Is there any video evidence of honking horns all night? I’ve read on Twitter that they stop honking at 10PM because they are not protesting the Ottawa citizens. This is a legitimate protest by workers and the side that is usually pro-worker seems to be siding with the government because the intent of the protest has been declared wrong-think by the PM.