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The thing is BLM protesters broke laws. They started fires, destroyed businesses, trapped drivers in tunnels, attacked police, set fires in people’s homes, and

• PierceJoy 5y ago
  The vaccine isn’t being forced on anyone. Body autonomy is no more being violated here than any other time in history where vaccines have been required to do certain things, of which there are many examples. Not to mention, all the things you listed at the start of your comment have been done by the Ottawa occupiers. I don’t like to call them truckers because most are not, and most truckers are against this occupation.
  • jtbayly 5y ago
    Really? They've attacked police and burned people's homes? Seceded? I've not been following the news much, but I haven't seen this.
    • PierceJoy 5y ago
      They have attacked police. They have had dance parties on war memorials. They threw human shit at a home with a pride flag in the window. They assaulted people for wearing masks. Healthcare workers are now told to remove any indications that they work at a hospital for their own safety.
      • jtbayly 5y ago
        In other words, it's nothing alike.
        • PierceJoy 5y ago
          You're right. It's worse. BLM was because black people were being unjustly murdered. This occupation is because grown men are scared of a safe and effective vaccine during a worldwide pandemic.
          • dang 5y ago
            Would you please stop taking the thread further into flamewar? I understand that you're justifiably upset about it, but you've posted 29 (edit: now 35) comments in this thread alone, many of them repetitive, and at this point you're falling into swipes. That doesn't help persuade anyone and it certainly isn't the curious conversation we're hoping for here. By the time we get to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226076, followed by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226101 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226101, followed by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226189 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226189, the intended spirit of this site has been completely lost. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226201 Edit: Since this request didn't work, I've rate limited your account. Lest that seem to be out of bias, I've also rate limited the other commenters who have been feeding the repetitive flamewar side of this thread. I also banned at least one of the worst offenders. If you don't want to be rate limited, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the site guidelines in the future.
        • dang 5y ago
          Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, and certainly not flamewar tangents into deeper circles of hell. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    • throwawaysea 5y ago
      I haven’t seen any evidence of the Canadian truckers doing anything egregious or blatantly illega. However here are example sources I just found from a few Google searches for what I saw from BLM protests in my city (the grandparent comment): https://clashdaily.com/2020/11/seattle-blm-activist-arrested-for-arson-and-burglary-after-breaking-into-7-homes-in-an-affluent-neighborhood/ https://clashdaily.com/2020/11/seattle-blm-activist-arrested... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protes... https://komonews.com/news/local/police-spokesperson-accuses-rioters-of-attempted-murder-for-trying-to-barricade-officers https://komonews.com/news/local/police-spokesperson-accuses-... https://www.kitsapsun.com/story/news/2021/06/17/five-years-man-who-set-seattle-police-car-fire-stole-rifle/7734055002/ https://www.kitsapsun.com/story/news/2021/06/17/five-years-m... https://www.the-sun.com/news/910187/security-guard-seattle-protest-rifle/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/910187/security-guard-seattle-p... https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/seattle-blm-protesters-demand-white-people-give-up-their-homes/ https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/seattle-blm-protesters-demand-... https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/ix9bwy/black_lives_matters_blockades_thousands_inside/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/ix9bwy/black_liv...
      • jtbayly 5y ago
        I know all about that. I was questioning the claim that this protest has done all the same things.
        • throwawaysea 5y ago
          Sorry I thought your comment was in response to my earlier GP comment. I edited it to clarify. And yes I haven’t seen any of the same things with the Canada protests.
  • d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
    No vaccine = no work = no food = die I'd call that "force" even if it's 2 degrees removed.
    • PierceJoy 5y ago
      You do know that the vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require being vaccinated, right? Did you know that vaccine requirements for certain jobs have existed for decades, and no one has lost their minds like this? Do you think it’s possible that right wing politicians are purposely trying to cause outrage over something that has been a normal and accepted practise in order to further their political goals?
      • rabuse 5y ago
        When was there a requirement in our history to be vaccinated to shop for your groceries?
        • PierceJoy 5y ago
          There isn't one now.
      • d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
        It's called a career because you do it your whole life and you keep getting paid more money to do it. What are other job options for truckers? Fast food? Warehouse? It's not like you can just go get a SWE job. Yes, but you agree to that mandate before getting the job. When you join the Army you know you're selling your body to the state. Of course politicians are politicizing. But they're just riding the wave of something that people are already mad about--like higher taxes and abortion. Your comment makes it sound like people are mindless automatons whose opinions have no substance. They are opinions that differ from your own but that's OK. We need both sides of the discussion for a healthy democracy.
        • PierceJoy 5y ago
          > It's called a career because you do it your whole life and you keep getting paid more money to do it. People get fired all the time for a multitude of reasons. In fact, thanks to at will employment in the US, people get fired for no reason at all. I haven't seen mass protests about at will employment. > What are other job options for truckers? I would assume the same jobs available to anyone when they get fired. > We need both sides of the discussion for a healthy democracy. Agreed, but there is a problem when one side is not arguing in good faith. I would call occupying the nation's capital and assaulting people wearing masks not arguing in good faith.
  • steelstraw 5y ago
    Take it or get fired. That is being forced for all intents and purposes. Shaq said it well: https://twitter.com/ginacarano/status/1489421001918083073 https://twitter.com/ginacarano/status/1489421001918083073
    • PierceJoy 5y ago
      • _dain_ 5y ago
        It is coercion and I don't know how anyone can say otherwise. How does that boot taste?
        • dang 5y ago
          Please keep personal attacks off this site. We ban accounts that do it and lord knows we've got enough flaming going on here already. Your comment would be fine without that last sentence. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      • gjsman-1000 5y ago
        You are manipulating the word “forced” so it doesn’t sound so bad. Just because it doesn’t use physical force doesn’t mean it isn’t forced.
        • PierceJoy 5y ago
          It isn't forced.
          • throwawaysea 5y ago
            • PierceJoy 5y ago
  • throwawaysea 5y ago
    It is being forced. If you can experience significant losses or risks unless you comply, that’s being forced. You’re being disingenuous. It’s easy to see where this breaks down - per your logic a mobster running a protection racket isn’t forcing anyone to pay extortion money either.
    • PierceJoy 5y ago
      It's not forced. There any many jobs that don't require a vaccine. It's a choice. A protection racket is enforced through the use of physical violence. Terrible analogy.
      • chrismcb 5y ago
        By definition, this is forced. Force means to make someone do something against their will. In this case the choice is be fired or take the vaccine. They obviously don't want to be fired, so they are being forced to take the vaccine. Yes, it isn't physical force, but it is forced none the less.
        • PierceJoy 5y ago
          > By definition, this is forced. Force means to make someone do something against their will. Yes, but they aren't required to get the vaccine against their will. They have the choice to quit. That's what makes it a choice. If they had no choice to quit, then you would be correct. > In this case the choice is be fired or take the vaccine. Exactly. > They obviously don't want to be fired, so they are being forced to take the vaccine. Some choices are hard. That's life. As you wrote in the previous sentence, it is a choice. > Yes, it isn't physical force, but it is forced none the less No more forced than any other condition of employment.
          • salawat 5y ago
            "You will give me what I want, or you will choose to relinquish your livelihood" does not sound like a choice, but an ultimatum. Heads: I win, Tails: you lose is not good faith in the slightest, or even a reasonable facsimile of a choice.
  • joemazerino 5y ago
    Please show us sources of businesses being burned, looted, people assaulted and vehicles destroyed by Canadian truckers.
  • tastyfreeze 5y ago
    Do you have evidence of destruction caused by the protesters? I am interested in seeing it. All video I have seen is completely peaceful.
• stjohnswarts 5y ago
  But they didn't tho. The people that did that were criminals taking advantage of the situation and lack of police. BLM protestors where nonviolent except when police tried to push them back and silence them. Sure they took over areas, but that's what happens during social movements. The damage was greatly exaggerated unrealistically by right wing news media.
  • refurb 5y ago
    So the same as this protest? The violence is by criminals taking advantage of the situation. They are nonviolent except when the police try and push them back. I’m going to guess you don’t think that because you don’t like the goals behind this protest?
  • philliphaydon 5y ago
    When I watched the live streams on twitch, I remember one video where the police were just standing there doing nothing, the protesters were yelling abuse. The police just stood there. It wasn’t until the protesters started throwing bottles and setting a car on fire that the police got involved. There were videos live streamed by people in the groups who were smashing the windows of the power company, going inside and destroying everything. I don’t believe anything was greatly exaggerated or unrealistic when this was live streamed by people doing it. Most of the protests were peaceful. But there was a lot of damage and a lot of violence not started by the police. (I’m not American and don’t live in America, but I watched too many hours of the live streams while it happened) Edit: twitch had streams of people streaming multiple streams. So 1 twitch stream was showing about 15 live streams happening at the time.
• hintymad 5y ago
• rnk 5y ago
  I'm afraid that's not what happened in reality in Seattle. You repeated the allegations multiple times but repeating them doesn't make it true. There were criminals who came to that area, but the BLM themselves did not seem interested in that stuff. And I was upset at the leaving of the area by the police, but the multiple admitted fake pics on fox news didn't show reality. And now we know from the emails and discussions of the police and the mayor that they kind of left the police precinct with an expectation of the chaz that the precinct was going to be burned down after thet left by the crowd and they were almost disappointed . In Seattle we're currently in this weird situation where the police are basically in an almost complete work stoppage, and there's endless court battles about the cops who went to Jan 6, cops don't enforce Laws around property crimes. I don't see any future for the existing police force in Seattle. They just need to be fired and replaced en mass. But it will take years to eject them. This is probably too much about Seattle but when trying to understand what's happening in Canada one has to be careful of the American press that lies about what's happening. My own dad believes that Seattle is burning basically.
• scollet 5y ago
  People supporting BLM have a real issue to defend, and 400 years of precedence. It's not the same; it's not even close.
  • HideousKojima 5y ago
    No bad methods, only bad targets/ideologies?