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Exotic like what, lockdowns for example? How crazy of me...

giaour 5y ago
Quarantines are not a novel or exotic public health measure. Try again. You specifically called out the government making you quit smoking or forcing you to eat better in your original post.
- alea_iacta_est 5y ago
  Lockdown and quarantine are very different. And it's you who mentionned "completely novel and exotic government actions", to which I point out that it's already happened with lockdowns. There's nothing in history that resemble what has happened in those last 2 years, whether you agree or not won't change that fact.
  - giaour 5y ago
    My dude, "nothing in history" is a very strong statement. You should read up about what state actors did to limit the spread of the plague. I'm sure someone could find something older, but lockdowns are attested to as a public health measure since at least ~500 BCE (whenever Leviticus was written). I don't feel like you're engaging in good faith, so I'm going to go ahead and quit responding.
    - alea_iacta_est 5y ago
      Keep your condescending tone for your friends "my dude".
  - RayRayRah 5y ago
    1918 had some cities implement lockdowns as a response to the rapidly spreading Spanish Flu. And then there were anti-lockdown protests which caused some cities to lift their lockdowns early and the virus surged. Business owners also railed against the lockdowns, and were sometimes successful in getting them lifted. There was a similar situation with mandatory masks, and then loud anti-mask protests which resulted in the lifting of some mask mandates. What happened over the past two years has happened before, and will probably happen again. You can find examples of lockdowns in other pandemic eras. Venice partially locked down in 1575 due to the plague. You may disagree with lockdowns, but there's plenty of precedent. Your "fact" is incorrect. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-citie... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/breaking-point-anti-lockdown-efforts-during-spanish-flu-offer-cautionary-n1202111 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/breaking-poin... https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/historical-precedents-lockdown-quarantine https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/historical-precedents-lock...
    - alea_iacta_est 5y ago
      Your last link says it all: "COVID-19 has triggered lockdown measures for billions of people around the world." A lockdown at such a scale never happened before covid. Your "counter-fact" is incorrect.

Quarantines are not a novel or exotic public health measure. Try again. You specifically called out the government making you quit smoking or forcing you to eat better in your original post.

alea_iacta_est 5y ago
Lockdown and quarantine are very different. And it's you who mentionned "completely novel and exotic government actions", to which I point out that it's already happened with lockdowns. There's nothing in history that resemble what has happened in those last 2 years, whether you agree or not won't change that fact.
- giaour 5y ago
  My dude, "nothing in history" is a very strong statement. You should read up about what state actors did to limit the spread of the plague. I'm sure someone could find something older, but lockdowns are attested to as a public health measure since at least ~500 BCE (whenever Leviticus was written). I don't feel like you're engaging in good faith, so I'm going to go ahead and quit responding.
  - alea_iacta_est 5y ago
    Keep your condescending tone for your friends "my dude".
- RayRayRah 5y ago
  1918 had some cities implement lockdowns as a response to the rapidly spreading Spanish Flu. And then there were anti-lockdown protests which caused some cities to lift their lockdowns early and the virus surged. Business owners also railed against the lockdowns, and were sometimes successful in getting them lifted. There was a similar situation with mandatory masks, and then loud anti-mask protests which resulted in the lifting of some mask mandates. What happened over the past two years has happened before, and will probably happen again. You can find examples of lockdowns in other pandemic eras. Venice partially locked down in 1575 due to the plague. You may disagree with lockdowns, but there's plenty of precedent. Your "fact" is incorrect. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-citie... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/breaking-point-anti-lockdown-efforts-during-spanish-flu-offer-cautionary-n1202111 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/breaking-poin... https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/historical-precedents-lockdown-quarantine https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/historical-precedents-lock...
  - alea_iacta_est 5y ago
    Your last link says it all: "COVID-19 has triggered lockdown measures for billions of people around the world." A lockdown at such a scale never happened before covid. Your "counter-fact" is incorrect.