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I've been looking to move to Canada (vs moving to US due to more sane social services like healthcare and pension system), is what you are describing present al

I've been looking to move to Canada (vs moving to US due to more sane social services like healthcare and pension system), is what you are describing present all over Canada or just in some parts of it?

version_five 5y ago
I would answer that it's centered in a few major cities. The big problem with Canada is that political power is so concentrated in Montreal, Toronto, and to a lesser extent Ottawa and Vancouver that the views of the rest of the country are ignored, so there is not really an escape. It would be like if all US government policy was set by the Bay Area and NYC
Mikeb85 5y ago
Everywhere, albeit to varying levels. Canada's healthcare is a joke; it's 'free', but it's a joke. And the highest possible pension payout wouldn't pay half my rent today. If you have the opportunity to move the US and have your employer pay for your healthcare, your quality of life and income will be much, much higher than you could ever expect in Canada. The main thing is that incomes in the US, especially for tech, are much, much higher while cost of living is lower.
jandrewrogers 5y ago
While I can understand the healthcare part, what about US public pensions (Social Security) is not sane? The US public pension is quite generous compared to the rest of the developed world, including Canada. The US can be accused of many things, but having a poor public pension isn't one of them.
8note 5y ago
Canada on the whole has been poisoned by high property values. Instead of investing in making things, everyone is all in on housing speculation.
BeefWellington 5y ago
My experience has been essentially the opposite of the person you're replying to. Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Immediate care for actual emergencies, I've been seen right away. It's a triage system, so if you go to the emergency department at the hospital with the sniffles you could wait a bunch of hours. Yes, there's a huge housing crisis and yes it's an area of concern. There's some issues here in that the real difference-makers are controlled by cities. There's a LOT of NIMBYism. I haven't really seen evidence of Canada "crumbling"; just a lot of people pushing that narrative whenever they're despairing over their own fortunes. Could it be better? Absolutely.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Try living outside Canada. I used to think healthcare was great as a young male... (men typically don't interact with the healthcare system as often as women for biological reasons) My girlfriend is pregnant. She's from the Czech Republic. We were just in the Czech Republic for 2 months. 3 weeks for non-urgent tests? Try a day. As in phone the clinic, get a test for the NEXT day. During the Omicron wave. She had bloodwork done, an ultrasound, x-ray for a foot injury, treatment for said injury, dental work done, etc... No wait times for anything. No wait times at the clinic. No need for a primary care doctor (something which many Canadians don't have because of a shortage of doctors). Canadians take the sad state of affairs as normal and actually believe our government's propaganda that the rest of the world works the same way. It doesn't. > I haven't really seen evidence of Canada "crumbling" Go to another developed country. Live for awhile. The only people who think Canada's doing OK are the ones who never left. And on an individual level; any country is great if you have enough money. Doesn't mean society is OK.
  - BeefWellington 5y ago
    > My girlfriend is pregnant. She's from the Czech Republic. We were just in the Czech Republic for 2 months. 3 weeks for non-urgent tests? Try a day. As in phone the clinic, get a test for the NEXT day. During the Omicron wave. She had bloodwork done, an ultrasound, x-ray for a foot injury, treatment for said injury, dental work done, etc... No wait times for anything. No wait times at the clinic. No need for a primary care doctor (something which many Canadians don't have because of a shortage of doctors). My partner had a similar experience when she went through her pregnancy during the first wave of covid (when everything was less certain). A pregnant woman is going to always have things like soft tissue ultrasounds before a guy with a light sports injury (my example of having to wait 3 weeks). Your pregnant partner and I with a light sports injury are, in no good healthcare system, going to be given equal priority. For an actual important scan like an X-Ray of a broken bone, it's always been immediate. > Go to another developed country. Live for awhile. The only people who think Canada's doing OK are the ones who never left. This is an awful assumption to make of anyone, especially anyone in a tech forum online IME. We're one of the most mobile workforces. I've absolutely lived and worked for lengthy stretches in other countries and experienced life there. I've obviously not lived everywhere but I suspect almost every country has its own pain points. It's clear from your various posts though that you're stumping for the Czech Republic, and that's great, I'm glad you found a spot to make you happy.

version_five 5y ago

I would answer that it's centered in a few major cities. The big problem with Canada is that political power is so concentrated in Montreal, Toronto, and to a lesser extent Ottawa and Vancouver that the views of the rest of the country are ignored, so there is not really an escape. It would be like if all US government policy was set by the Bay Area and NYC

Mikeb85 5y ago

Everywhere, albeit to varying levels. Canada's healthcare is a joke; it's 'free', but it's a joke. And the highest possible pension payout wouldn't pay half my rent today. If you have the opportunity to move the US and have your employer pay for your healthcare, your quality of life and income will be much, much higher than you could ever expect in Canada. The main thing is that incomes in the US, especially for tech, are much, much higher while cost of living is lower.

jandrewrogers 5y ago

While I can understand the healthcare part, what about US public pensions (Social Security) is not sane? The US public pension is quite generous compared to the rest of the developed world, including Canada. The US can be accused of many things, but having a poor public pension isn't one of them.

8note 5y ago

Canada on the whole has been poisoned by high property values. Instead of investing in making things, everyone is all in on housing speculation.

BeefWellington 5y ago

My experience has been essentially the opposite of the person you're replying to. Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Immediate care for actual emergencies, I've been seen right away. It's a triage system, so if you go to the emergency department at the hospital with the sniffles you could wait a bunch of hours. Yes, there's a huge housing crisis and yes it's an area of concern. There's some issues here in that the real difference-makers are controlled by cities. There's a LOT of NIMBYism. I haven't really seen evidence of Canada "crumbling"; just a lot of people pushing that narrative whenever they're despairing over their own fortunes. Could it be better? Absolutely.

Mikeb85 5y ago
> Health care where I am is great, I can see my primary care doctor mostly same day or next day and the odd tests I've needed have never been any kind of wait longer than 3 weeks (for non-urgent tests). Try living outside Canada. I used to think healthcare was great as a young male... (men typically don't interact with the healthcare system as often as women for biological reasons) My girlfriend is pregnant. She's from the Czech Republic. We were just in the Czech Republic for 2 months. 3 weeks for non-urgent tests? Try a day. As in phone the clinic, get a test for the NEXT day. During the Omicron wave. She had bloodwork done, an ultrasound, x-ray for a foot injury, treatment for said injury, dental work done, etc... No wait times for anything. No wait times at the clinic. No need for a primary care doctor (something which many Canadians don't have because of a shortage of doctors). Canadians take the sad state of affairs as normal and actually believe our government's propaganda that the rest of the world works the same way. It doesn't. > I haven't really seen evidence of Canada "crumbling" Go to another developed country. Live for awhile. The only people who think Canada's doing OK are the ones who never left. And on an individual level; any country is great if you have enough money. Doesn't mean society is OK.
- BeefWellington 5y ago
  > My girlfriend is pregnant. She's from the Czech Republic. We were just in the Czech Republic for 2 months. 3 weeks for non-urgent tests? Try a day. As in phone the clinic, get a test for the NEXT day. During the Omicron wave. She had bloodwork done, an ultrasound, x-ray for a foot injury, treatment for said injury, dental work done, etc... No wait times for anything. No wait times at the clinic. No need for a primary care doctor (something which many Canadians don't have because of a shortage of doctors). My partner had a similar experience when she went through her pregnancy during the first wave of covid (when everything was less certain). A pregnant woman is going to always have things like soft tissue ultrasounds before a guy with a light sports injury (my example of having to wait 3 weeks). Your pregnant partner and I with a light sports injury are, in no good healthcare system, going to be given equal priority. For an actual important scan like an X-Ray of a broken bone, it's always been immediate. > Go to another developed country. Live for awhile. The only people who think Canada's doing OK are the ones who never left. This is an awful assumption to make of anyone, especially anyone in a tech forum online IME. We're one of the most mobile workforces. I've absolutely lived and worked for lengthy stretches in other countries and experienced life there. I've obviously not lived everywhere but I suspect almost every country has its own pain points. It's clear from your various posts though that you're stumping for the Czech Republic, and that's great, I'm glad you found a spot to make you happy.