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I'm concerned about 1st amendment and the soft power politicians have on freedom of speech (yes I know this is in Canada). When the head politician of a country

by bko 5y ago

I'm concerned about 1st amendment and the soft power politicians have on freedom of speech (yes I know this is in Canada). When the head politician of a country essentially calls your group terrorist, wouldn't that put some pressure on social media or other organizations to restrict access, money or censor speech? Not all violations of free speech are literally police sending someone to jail for saying something. If the politicians pressure private organizations to censor speech, resulting in the speech being censored, then its absolutely a violation of free speech

culi 5y ago
Remember when Trump called antifa a terrorist org? I hope we've learned by now to stop taking the "terrorist" label seriously
- Ekaros 5y ago
  Antifa is a terrorist organization. They have political goals that is fighting against political stance and they are trying to achieve this by violence.
  - scollet 5y ago
    Antifa is an ideology. The obvious choice is to support antifa because we've seen what profa does, and they are much more violent.
- d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
  Just like people have stopped taking the "racist" label seriously.
- deleted 5y ago
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- aksss 5y ago
  “Terror” about describes it if it’s your neighborhood and not just a scene on TV. The people breaking windows of businesses that don’t sport the right stickers or threatening violence against those not wearing the right clothes or making the right salutes are appropriately called “terrorists” if not worse. I don’t take the label terrorist to heart when it’s some bullshit overseas conflict, but I know what structure fires look like, I know what mob frenzy looks like. I know what actual political violence looks like. I know how dangerous self-righteous violence can be. Calling antifa terrorists is spot on because that’s what they were/are as demonstrated/experienced by their actions and goals (of which, ant-fascism seems about opposite).
philistine 5y ago
Yeah, we do not have what you think of in terms of freedom of speech in Canada. A private corporation using their insured property to audibly harass a city and blockade streets is not considered freedom of speech in Canada. Take away their toys and let them hold a protest with their boots and parkas.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  Why does the insurance status of property matter? Why does it matter if it belongs to a corporation (also don’t many truckers have their own trucks)? Do you also think megaphones shouldn’t be used to protest? What about amplifying platforms like Twitter? I feel like the line drawn in Canada is unprincipled, if it is as you describe, since truckers are using their property and platform of choice to enhance their protest, which fundamentally isn’t very different to me.
- pseudo0 5y ago
  Freedom of expression features prominently in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is included in Section 2, which details fundamental freedoms, such as freedom of expression, freedom of association, and freedom of assembly. It strains credulity to argue that this protest somehow exceeds protest norms when bullhorns, drums, honking, and other noisemaking has been a key part of protests for decades.
  - ZoomerCretin 5y ago
    Civil disobedience was always a crime. Blocking streets without a permit is a crime. Excessive noise making at all hours of the day and night is a crime. These actions don't become legal if you label them "protest".
    - pseudo0 5y ago
      All of those "crimes" result in a ticket, not the person in question being hauled off to jail, and they typically aren't enforced on protestors. The government could direct the police to crack down, but that would just throw any pretense of evenhanded enforcement of the law out the window, and harden the protestors' resolve.
iinnPP 5y ago
It's a bit worse than that given that CBC(among others) have received 1.4B in funding from the government. CBC is just as good or bad(depending on your viewpoint) as CNN/FOX, if not better/worse. It feels really bad to have comments removed for keywords like PoC when it's coming from your own tax dollars.

by bko 5y ago

culi 5y ago

Remember when Trump called antifa a terrorist org? I hope we've learned by now to stop taking the "terrorist" label seriously

Ekaros 5y ago
Antifa is a terrorist organization. They have political goals that is fighting against political stance and they are trying to achieve this by violence.
- scollet 5y ago
  Antifa is an ideology. The obvious choice is to support antifa because we've seen what profa does, and they are much more violent.
d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
Just like people have stopped taking the "racist" label seriously.
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aksss 5y ago
“Terror” about describes it if it’s your neighborhood and not just a scene on TV. The people breaking windows of businesses that don’t sport the right stickers or threatening violence against those not wearing the right clothes or making the right salutes are appropriately called “terrorists” if not worse. I don’t take the label terrorist to heart when it’s some bullshit overseas conflict, but I know what structure fires look like, I know what mob frenzy looks like. I know what actual political violence looks like. I know how dangerous self-righteous violence can be. Calling antifa terrorists is spot on because that’s what they were/are as demonstrated/experienced by their actions and goals (of which, ant-fascism seems about opposite).

philistine 5y ago

Yeah, we do not have what you think of in terms of freedom of speech in Canada. A private corporation using their insured property to audibly harass a city and blockade streets is not considered freedom of speech in Canada. Take away their toys and let them hold a protest with their boots and parkas.

throwawaysea 5y ago
Why does the insurance status of property matter? Why does it matter if it belongs to a corporation (also don’t many truckers have their own trucks)? Do you also think megaphones shouldn’t be used to protest? What about amplifying platforms like Twitter? I feel like the line drawn in Canada is unprincipled, if it is as you describe, since truckers are using their property and platform of choice to enhance their protest, which fundamentally isn’t very different to me.
pseudo0 5y ago
Freedom of expression features prominently in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is included in Section 2, which details fundamental freedoms, such as freedom of expression, freedom of association, and freedom of assembly. It strains credulity to argue that this protest somehow exceeds protest norms when bullhorns, drums, honking, and other noisemaking has been a key part of protests for decades.
- ZoomerCretin 5y ago
  Civil disobedience was always a crime. Blocking streets without a permit is a crime. Excessive noise making at all hours of the day and night is a crime. These actions don't become legal if you label them "protest".
  - pseudo0 5y ago
    All of those "crimes" result in a ticket, not the person in question being hauled off to jail, and they typically aren't enforced on protestors. The government could direct the police to crack down, but that would just throw any pretense of evenhanded enforcement of the law out the window, and harden the protestors' resolve.

iinnPP 5y ago

It's a bit worse than that given that CBC(among others) have received 1.4B in funding from the government. CBC is just as good or bad(depending on your viewpoint) as CNN/FOX, if not better/worse. It feels really bad to have comments removed for keywords like PoC when it's coming from your own tax dollars.