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When younger this view made far more sense... no encryption broken ever. There are plenty of legitimate scenarios, child sexual exploitation being one of them w

by shmoe 5y ago

When younger this view made far more sense... no encryption broken ever. There are plenty of legitimate scenarios, child sexual exploitation being one of them where I don't mind and exception or a workaround being applied to catch it where someone is stupid enough to get caught. Perhaps fatherhood has made me soft but I wouldn't let fancy ones and zeroes get in the way of kicking the ass of the person who exploited my child. It's not some slippery slope, it's the reality of humanity.

matheusmoreira 5y ago
There is no such thing as an exception in cryptography. Either it works or it doesn't. The same technology that protects the criminal will protect me. If the criminal is not protected, then I'm not protected. That is the simple reality of cryptography. The smart child molester will use these technologies regardless of your or the government's opinion about them. I guarantee you they'd rather go to jail for contempt of court or whatever than child abuse. What's at issue here is the availability of encryption to the general population.
- shmoe 5y ago
  Right. Creating the exception where you scan them prior to uploading/being encrypted would be a workaround prior to encryption and is a crappy compromise, but one seemingly necessary in reality if we don't want cloud providers holding keys to our stuff like they currently have to.
xiphias2 5y ago
Do you really want FBI agents to look and share and sell photos of your daughter when she sends it on her iPhone to her boyfriend? Maybe the first iteration just looks at some photos, but in the future there will be even more AI used to detect these kind of photos and send them to government agents for viewing.
- shmoe 5y ago
  Pretty sure the agreed upon method is the review goes thru Apple and then to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children, who host this list of hashes gleaned from images. Also, this has already been done for years by every single cloud service in existence. Apple came up with a way that preserves privacy and suddenly everyone's a privacy expert based in the reality of CSAM.

by shmoe 5y ago

matheusmoreira 5y ago

There is no such thing as an exception in cryptography. Either it works or it doesn't. The same technology that protects the criminal will protect me. If the criminal is not protected, then I'm not protected. That is the simple reality of cryptography. The smart child molester will use these technologies regardless of your or the government's opinion about them. I guarantee you they'd rather go to jail for contempt of court or whatever than child abuse. What's at issue here is the availability of encryption to the general population.

shmoe 5y ago
Right. Creating the exception where you scan them prior to uploading/being encrypted would be a workaround prior to encryption and is a crappy compromise, but one seemingly necessary in reality if we don't want cloud providers holding keys to our stuff like they currently have to.

xiphias2 5y ago

Do you really want FBI agents to look and share and sell photos of your daughter when she sends it on her iPhone to her boyfriend? Maybe the first iteration just looks at some photos, but in the future there will be even more AI used to detect these kind of photos and send them to government agents for viewing.

shmoe 5y ago
Pretty sure the agreed upon method is the review goes thru Apple and then to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children, who host this list of hashes gleaned from images. Also, this has already been done for years by every single cloud service in existence. Apple came up with a way that preserves privacy and suddenly everyone's a privacy expert based in the reality of CSAM.